Thinking about a new muffler...

[scottb]

I'm thinking of changing-out the muffler on my 84 and replacing it with something that gives the car more of a "throaty growl." I'm not trying to add horsepower (though that would be a nice side-effect), and really am only interested in changing the sound of the exhaust. Any suggestions (with place to purchase if Pelican doesn't carry) would be appreciated.

Thanks.

[masraum]

FlowMaster 42583 www.summitracing.com $73 installation by a muffler shop will probably be around $125.
new sound for your car -- priceless

really, I just put a Flowmaster on my car yesterday. It sounds fantastic!!

Here's another thread complete with sound on the Flowmaster.
Flaumeister thread

[island911]

1 in, 1 out; GHL sound awsome.

[Early_S_Man]

I wonder if anyone has ever tried to fit a Walker 'Street Hemi' muffler under the rear valance for a single in/single out application?

[CEO]

What are you looking to spend on a new muffler?
I bought a Mille Migla single in dual out for about 850.00 and never looked back. Not too loud and the muffler was so beautifully built (welded and shiny). They also offer a 100% satisfaction with the sound and quality. If you don’t like it then send it back. This company only makes exhaust for Ferrari and Porsche so you know they have to be doing something right. Not like Flowmaster which really only makes a few different kinds of muffler. I think it is a much better idea to use something that is made for a Porsche then putting a crappy American muffler that will rust in 6 months on a highly engineered piece of German machinery.
Just my .02

Regards, Kenneth

[makaio]

The "Flowmiester" is the least expensive of all the muffs out there.

GHL has the best waranty, and their quality has improved over the last year. Great sound, but mine has gotten loud over the last year. They say they can make a quiet or loud exaust "can". I would suggest going with a quiet "can", if your car is a daily driver.

I have a Bursch on my cab, and really like the sound it puts out. The price is pretty reasonble on these as well.

But if I was purchasing a new muff, I think I would go with a Dansk. Because they are the same size as OE, and they don't hang down like the others.

[A Quiet Boom]

Originally posted by Early_S_Man
I wonder if anyone has ever tried to fit a Walker 'Street Hemi' muffler under the rear valance for a single in/single out application?

Don't know about that but I've decided on Walker UltraFlo Stainless mufflers for my X-pipe configuration.

Custom X-pipe

I just put one on my 10:1 dual carbed 4cyl Nissan 4x4 and the sound is fantastic. I really don't care for the "raspy" sound of Flowmasters or non-insulated turbo-style mufflers, the Walker is a straight through insulated perf tube design with better flow than an equivalent Flowmaster and a more refined sound.

[scottb]

I should have added (a) I'd like the muffler to be "bolt on" with no modifications to the car, and (b) somewhat reasonably priced (it appears the GHL is a couple of thousand dollars). Thanks!

[jwill911]

I'm a bit partial to the one in dual out Dansk. As has been mentioned many times on this board the build quality is excellent, they are the an OEM muffler makers for Porsche and it sounds great. And you have your choice of one or two, big or small tips. I like the two 84mm tips .

I'll be at Laguna Seca parked in the Porsche corral on Saturday if anyone wants to take a listen. US Sports Car Invitational

[masraum]

Hmm, someone feels strongly about mufflers.

[A Quiet Boom]

CEO,

As much as I don't like the sound of a Flowmaster on a smaller engine like a 911 it is by know means a "crappy American muffler" Instead it is a very refined, fantastically engineered performance muffler and they don't rust like a typical steel muffler either, I've had a pair on my big-block winter beater truck for 4 years and they're barely showing surface rust on the edges. Flowmasters are used extensively in racing and high-performance street applications with 3-6 times the power output of a 911 or 930. The problem with Flowmasters on a 911 is that they are designed to quiet large V8 engines not high-pitched sub 4 liter engines so they just don't sound right. I actually run faster by one tenth in my drag car with 3.5 inch two-chamver Flowmasters than I do open headered. What I'd like to see is one of these grossly over-priced Porsche-specific mufflers out-perform a Flowmaster or Walker on a dyno, my money's on the proven domestic mufflers over some unproven shiny stainless job priced near it's weight in gold. Aftermarket muffler suppliers like Walker, Flowmaster and Hooker make excellent, race-proven products and their isn't a muffler in the bunch priced anywhere near even $400 let alone $850+ And BTW Flowmaster makes over 7 different models of racing and performance mufflers in 50 or more sizes. I'll bet their engineering department has a larger research budget than Mille Migla's annual sales, but hey why should form follow function, I mean shiny is important right?

I'm not trying to flame you, just get the facts straight before you make a statement like that.

[makaio]

Originally posted by scottb
I should have added (a) I'd like the muffler to be "bolt on" with no modifications to the car, and (b) somewhat reasonably priced (it appears the GHL is a couple of thousand dollars). Thanks!

The GHL 1 in 1 out is only $700 or so from Pelican. It's their complete exhaust ( headers & Muffler) that is above $2000.

[masraum]

what he said

[Bill Verburg]

I think that the flow master is an acquired taste. When I first installed mine I thought it was too loud. Not any more though. It is much easier to live w/ than any of the previous iterations of B&B that I had.

[jwill911]

A friend of mine has a flowmaster on his `84 Euro targa, if I had to choose between the sound of his and my Dansk dual out it would be close. It's nice...!

[A Quiet Boom]

Originally posted by Bill Verburg
I think that the flow master is an acquired taste. When I first installed mine I thought it was too loud. Not any more though. It is much easier to live w/ than any of the previous iterations of B&B that I had.

Bill, I happen to love Flowmasters in most cases but on my P-car I had the dual in/out 2.5 inch version hooked directly to early style headers, loud I can handle it was the "ricer rasp" that I didn't like. I've never heard the single in dual out in person but I'm sure it would be a lot different especially with a cat than what I had. My brother had a single Flowmaster on his V6 ranger before his 5.0 swap and it sounded fantastic with a tail pipe and terrible without. I'd vote Flowmaster or Walker with the installation by a muffler shop since it's such a simple job for them. Even though it's not "bolt on" it's most likely better and cheaper and if done right won't require mods to the car itself. On that note Walker makes a single in single out with in/out on the same side that would make a real nice single out system. Part #17676 2.5"in/out same side.

[Bill Verburg]

There's definitely a low rpm "gurgle" which is reminiscent of my muscle car days way backwhen. But if I can hear the fan it can't be too loud and it's possible to carry on a normal conversation. Custom welded pipes are a necessity, a couple of mandrel bent 2.5" ss U's are all the pipe needed.

Here's mine

[scottb]

Anyone have any thoughts on the Bursch muffler? It looks like a relatively easy installation, and the price is right. Thanks.

[Jack Olsen]

I had the single-in, dual-out Flaumeister with a test pipe replacing the cat, and I miss it every time I push the loud pedal. Sounded great, and it was inexpensive, too.

I agree with Bill. The Flaumeister is loud relative to the stock muffler, but it grows on you. I love the sound now. No resonance to speak of. Jack's muffler moved to Dallas and took up residence here-