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best wideband O2 sensor/ system out there??
Ok, guys... I have an Innovate LC-1, and am NOT impressed with it, its performance, or the company.
What do some of you run, and which ones do you swear by? FYI, I really dont need a bunch of features, as my ECU does the data logging for me. I just want it to be accurate!!!
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The only other one I can think of is an AEM system, I do not know what is considered their standard setup. Wideband UEGO Air/Fuel Controllers | AEM
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I use LC1 and LMA-1/2 on different cars. They work fine; install properly then forget about it except for an annual free air calibration just for good measure.
Considering this for features and simplicity: EAW-52 Wideband Controller | VEMS US
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Do you need RPM also? Almost seems "useless" without it. (almost)
A lot of them do seem to offer RPM input as well, which seems necessary from a tuning perspective. Todd
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I like my innovative MTX. I was told it has a faster sampling time and newer technology than the lc1.
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09-12-2014, 08:01 AM
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Check out products from 14point7. They have a bunch of very nice wideband O2 (UEGO) sensors and other stuff, for very very fair prices.
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This is what I recommend. I have been running one for 5 years and love it.
Very high build quality, accurate. all in one unit.  Daytona Sensors LLC - WEGO IV Wide-Band Air/Fuel Ratio Tuning Aid Sold by our hosts by the way.
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I have used this as needed for in car A/F measurements on engines with carbs or MFI.
PLX DM-6 SM-AFR | Wideband Air Fuel Gauge |
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Wideband installation
Does the AF gauge require a new O2 sensor bung placed in the exhaust in addition to the one there or can you hook into the existing wiring somehow?
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09-17-2014, 06:39 PM
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Stock o2 sensor on all except newest are narrowband. You can program the LMA output to mimic the narrow band and it has 2 output channels... So one can be wideband output too.
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So, to get a REAL sideband reading, welding a new bung to the exhaust would be the best, correct? I assume it would need to be placed before the catalytic converter (or, in my case, the pre-muffler)?
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Samples 1000 X's a second and the display will change tenths of an AFR faster than you can see/interpret.
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I have 2 MTX's fitted to my V12 and they have worked perfectly for 2 years, the response is very fast. Recently one of the gauges has started acting up and I think one of the sensors is going strange. I've ordered a new one.
For the money I think innovate kit is good. Just make sure you mount your sensor a little way back from the header and in the upper section of the pipe....between 9 and 3 O Clock.
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Better than Daytona-Sensors WEGO IV?
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Better? I'm not sure. It suites my particular needs better. All the information is up on their website - 14point7.com.
It seems to support a lot more inputs, a lot more display options, don't have to install the display, and uses the same Bosch sensor. It's $299 for single sensor and controller, $399 for dual sensors. Todd
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