Okay, might have solved the DIY corner balance/alignment

[ZOA NOM]

The issue for most of us doing the corner balance and alignment in our garages is a level place to put the car, and more importantly, access to the adjustments under the car.

Here is my solution:

Start with a set of these bottle-jackstands placed under the control arms up front, and the trailing arms in the rear. The key is they are under the suspension, not the body.



Now, you have to level the car. I used the bucket water level trick for this. Fill a bucket sitting next to the car with water, and using a length of tubing long enough to reach each corner, add water until the level reaches any repeatable point on the wheels. I used the bottom edge of the wheel. This eliminates tire pressures as a variable. Don't forget to put your weight in the driver's seat.

Using the individual bottle jacks, set all four corners level.

Now you can measure ride height from the water level to the torsion bars front and rear, with similar measurements side-to-side giving a good indication of balance. Using the factory ride height measurements as a ratio can be translated to a lowered car, and maintaining the ratios front-to-rear should yield the correct front/rear weight bias.

From here, I use the strings to set toe, and a simple digital level for camber.


This method should get you very close, and it is repeatable in any garage, regardless of slope issues. I found the access to the adjustments to be the biggest hindrance to performing alignments at home. These simple jackstands address the issue without breaking the bank.


EDIT: placing the jackstands under the trailing arms and control arms will not result in accurate ride height. Place them under the hubs as shown later in the thread. Also, after plenty of feedback, this method should be converted to the tripod method for accuracy when corner balancing, so the opposite corners do not affect the measurements. Simply jack the car at the center of each end, and lower the jackstands from the hubs to provide the trianglulation.

[bugmeat]

I can't stop looking at your avatar

[DaveMcKenz]

I think that's a clever sounding idea. Would it be possible to use a laser straight edge to set toe? That would eliminate strings, and seems like it could be pretty accurate.
Thanks,
Dave

[cashman]

Interesting concept. Wont the jack in the rear being placed under the trailing arm hinder movements for any adjustment? Especially toe.

[ZOA NOM]

Originally Posted by DaveMcKenz

I think that's a clever sounding idea. Would it be possible to use a laser straight edge to set toe? That would eliminate strings, and seems like it could be pretty accurate.
Thanks,
Dave

Any toe measuring method should work.

[ZOA NOM]

Originally Posted by cashman

Interesting concept. Wont the jack in the rear being placed under the trailing arm hinder movements for any adjustment? Especially toe.

I placed the jack near the drain hole in the trailing arm, plenty of access to the adjustments. I'll snap some pics later today.


edit: I misunderstood your comment. It may indeed hinder movement for toe adjustment. I'll take a closer look. I have not adjusted toe yet, as I'm still dialing in corner balance. It seems that the small amount of movement needed at the rear for toe should not be hindered by the presence of the jackstand under the trailing arm.

[Elombard]

Great try but it wont be super accurate because the Force is acting through the control arm where the jack makes contact instead of the hub/wheel/tire. This shortens the moment and the force on the T bar so it wont deflect as much. If you removed the wheels and used it on the brake disc (not sure this is a good idea?) it would be closer. Still have the same toe adjustment problem. Maybe you could set them on two greased plates....might mess up the stability.

I think I want to get one of those jacks.

[ZOA NOM]

The amount of movement required is going to be very small, so I think the adjustment will work. In any event, if rear toe is the only adjustment I have to compromise, I think it's a win. I can adjust rear toe on the ground with greased plates. Being able to do the corner balance, front toe and camber is worth the setup.

[Elombard]

I dont think it will work for ride ht either if you are under the control arm. Might be up as much as an inch? And if the ride ht is elevated that much it wont be in the right spot to set the camber. You could probably figure out the ratio but it would be easier to mount it to the lug studs somehow then it would apply the force the righ distance from the T bar.

I am suprised no one makes one of these with an adapter to the wheel studs. That would be trick but limited applications I suppose.

[ZOA NOM]

Originally Posted by Elombard

I dont think it will work for ride ht either if you are under the control arm. Might be up as much as an inch? And if the ride ht is elevated that much it wont be in the right spot to set the camber. You could probably figure out the ratio but it would be easier to mount it to the lug studs somehow then it would apply the force the righ distance from the T bar.

I am suprised no one makes one of these with an adapter to the wheel studs. That would be trick but limited applications I suppose.

Ride height measurements taken from the bottom of the wheel (water level) to the center of the torsion bar. It would not be different if the tire was on the ground. The key is that the car is on it's suspension when measured.

[Uwon]

Zoa,
What an avatar!
I'm probably six months away from corner balancing/aligning my RST project so your thread is most appropriate.
To take Erik's point, could you not do the corner balancing on the rotors and then the toe/ camber adjustments as you have described? BTW, I think that the rotors are plenty strong to take static weight if you use open lugs to tighten in the rotors (depending on what brake system you have). I would put on some old ones for this purpose as extra insurance prior to installing the calipers.
Where can I get those jack stands?
Cheers,
Johan

[ZOA NOM]

I got the jackstands at a local auto store. I think I've seen them at O'Reilly's, Autozone, etc.

Erik has me thinking about the jack point in the rear, and I can't see where putting the jack under the rotor, or even attached somehow to the lugs would change the readings, since the whole assembly for the hub and axle attachment is rigid. Shouldn't matter where you lift. It wouldn't be very difficult to make a pair of adapters that fit into the jackstands to attach to the lugs though.

[slohnd52]

what if you put a 1" or 1 1/2" spacer on the lugs, slide it just off the hub, and use the bottom of the spacer as your jack point??

[ZOA NOM]

Originally Posted by slohnd52

what if you put a 1" or 1 1/2" spacer on the lugs, slide it just off the hub, and use the bottom of the spacer as your jack point??

That would probably work. It might be easy to weld up a circular disc with lug holes in it to a post that fits into the jackstand. I'm not sure it would be necessary though. The car is currently sitting with the jackstands under the trailing arms, and I think it will work. I'll know more when I've finished setting the ride height and can start adjusting the toe.

[Elombard]

Maybe think about it like this. If you have a 1 foot lever and apply 100 lbs of force to it you are generating 100 ft/lbs of twist at the end. If you shorten the lever to 6 inches and apply the same 100 lbs you are only generating 50 ft lbs. So if you have the jack stand 1/2 the distance from the tire to the mounting/pivot point of the lower control arm you are only putting half the twist on the torsion bar that it sees from the tire so the car wont set down to its ride height.

[dad911]

Originally Posted by ZOA NOM

.........Now you can measure ride height from the water level to the torsion bars front and rear, with similar measurements side-to-side giving a good indication of balance.........

I disagree. Rideheight can be correct and balance way off on the diagonals.

For example, lower RF and LR, then raise LF and RR to the same height. Balance will be way off.

[WideRide 86]

Maybe I'm missing something here, but this seems like it will get you set on your base ride heights, but not corner balance.

My understanding is that once the initial heights are set, you check the weights and make minor height adjustments to get the cross weights equal.
I'm sure others will chime in here to help clarify.

[ZOA NOM]

Erik, I see your point now that I'm home and looking at it. Back to the drawing boards, but I'm close! The jackstands give great access to the adjustments, and allow leveling. I just need to made adapters to mount to the hubs.

[ZOA NOM]

Maybe I'm missing something here, but this seems like it will get you set on your base ride heights, but not corner balance.



My understanding is that once the initial heights are set, you check the weights and make minor height adjustments to get the cross weights equal.

I'm sure others will chime in here to help clarify.

Right, but if you have no scales, this method is similar to the tripod method by using ride height measurements at the corners.

[matt f]

We use "HubStands" at the race shop. Also have alignment rack w scales. No difference in end result between HubStands and alignment rack. HubStands much easier to travel with.
Check their website, may give you some ideas.

Matt