Gray market coa ???

[redturbo911]

Just a question if anyone would know how I can get a Certificate of Authenticity for my 1985 930? Is there a way or do they not do them for gray market cars? I am not in desperate need. Just think it would be cool to have. Any help is appreciated.

[Tremelune]

Since CoAs can be modified at the request of the person obtaining the CoA, they don't really C any A and are thus worth nothing more than the paper they're printed on, and I'm told it's just printed on regular paper these days...

[redturbo911]

I kind of figured something like that. Just thought it would be something cool to have anyway.

[rlane930]

Originally Posted by redturbo911

Just a question if anyone would know how I can get a Certificate of Authenticity for my 1985 930? Is there a way or do they not do them for gray market cars? I am not in desperate need. Just think it would be cool to have. Any help is appreciated.

PCNA will provide COAs for RoW 930's (link below). They are worth every penny and are usually spot-on for 930s.

Certificate of Authenticity - Owner Services - Porsche Service - Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG

[Tremelune]

Originally Posted by rlane930

They are worth every penny

Their value depends on what you want from a certificate of authenticity, but a search around here will show that they are not valuable for certifying the authenticity of a particular car.

[VZ935]

I got one for my 1983 Turbo and I also got one for my 1976 factory 934

[geshaghi]

I obtained one for my RoW 1981 930. They will happily take your money and send you back a COA for any year P-car

[javadog]

Originally Posted by Tremelune

Since CoAs can be modified at the request of the person obtaining the CoA, they don't really C any A and are thus worth nothing more than the paper they're printed on, and I'm told it's just printed on regular paper these days...

Originally Posted by Tremelune

Their value depends on what you want from a certificate of authenticity, but a search around here will show that they are not valuable for certifying the authenticity of a particular car.

Not true, at all. Yes, there have been errors made but to declare them without value is not at all correct. They may not have much value for average, driver-quality cars but if you are trying to sell a valuable car, chances are the buyers will want to see one of these.

It's also not correct to say that an owner can change any info on one of these. If there is an error, which is usually in decoding an option, they will work with the owner to investigate the error but that is not the same as saying you can tell them what to put on the certificate.

It's also quite useful to know that you have the original engine or gearbox and that info is seldom wrong.

They are also presented better than you describe. I've order two in the last two years and both were 100% accurate.

JR

[redturbo911]

Thank you guys for the input. As I stated I would like it because I find it as a nice little addition to have in regards to the car and not because I feel it would make the car worth more money. If it makes it worth more then even better but I just think it is a nice thing to have on certain cars. Especially for my 930. For me it would be nice to frame and put in the garage by the car. Should make a nice conversation piece.
rlane930 thanks for the link.

[Tremelune]

Originally Posted by javadog

Not true, at all.

Cool, I'll just leave these here.

Is a Porsche Certificate of Authenticity worth $100?

Vehicle history and authenticity certificate

Certificate of Authenticity Question

Certificate of Authenticity question

Certificate of authenticity

[javadog]

Yeah, I know about all that. There are a lot of people that ***** about them and half of them have never ordered one themselves. Then there are the guys that are pissed that they don't tell you:

"like exact production number, like where in the series was one's car was made, like #23,897 out of a run of 25,000. Or, out of "X" imported into the U.S. your car was # "X".

... and that sort of thing.

Then there are the guys that want to know how many yellow ones they made with a green interior in whatever year, or that sort of ****.

Most of the errors come in two scenarios. One, Porsche used the same option numbers in different eras, so it can be a challenge to pin down some of them exactly. Another is that PCNA didn't exist for most of Porsche's history and there's a lot of stuff that was importer-specific. I'm thinking of option groups here, that were identified with codes that were unique to the importer, not Porsche AG. And then you run into things we call one name, like the "S trim" that was optional on the longhood cars and Porsche calls something else entirely. Or names for things like "appearance group" that mean one thing in one year and something else a year or two later.

They are what they are. Most people find them useful and I don't consider $100 a lot of money. I'll blow more than that on dinner tomorrow night.

JR

[BER]

I received the C of A's for my two 911's about 20 years ago. I think they were $45 back then.

They have come in handy when I entered PCA's Parade Concours and some regional car shows. They also document the original engine and transmission serial numbers. If I ever sell either car, at least I can prove to a prospective buyer that the "numbers match". Might be worth an extra buck or two.

Mine C of A's do not have the car's build date or the MSRP. The old C of A does list all the factory installed options on the car and both of mine are correct. They also show the car's original paint code and interior codes.

I have both C of A's framed and hanging in the garage. If nothing else, they are a "conversation piece" when I have friends over. They ask, "what is this document" and I reply it's my children's birth certificates.

BER

[redturbo911]

Thanks for the info guys.