by this autumn, every single non-Motorsport 911 will be TURBOCHARGED

[dicklague]

ALL 911s TURBO!!!

According to Andrew Frankel at MOTORSPORT when he interviewed Wolfgang Hatz of Porsche motorsports.

Porsche's future plans - Road - Motor Sport Magazine

"911: This will be a game-changing year for Porsche’s most iconic nameplate and the first clue to it will come at the Geneva Motor Show in March when Porsche will reveal the delayed RS version of the GT3. Hatz says it is a far more extreme car than its predecessor and that, contrary to speculation, will most definitely be normally aspirated. But, and this is big news, it will have a brand new engine related to neither the old race-derived engines used in previous GT3 and GT2 models, nor the motor in the current GT3. Would Porsche design a whole new engine for one niche product? It would not. In fact this is just its first application: this September it will go into every 911 in turbocharged form. You read that right: by this autumn, every single non-Motorsport 911 from the cheapest Carrera upwards will be turbocharged."

[Cook&Dunning]

This was on the Car & Driver website, too. Along with the turbo 6 in 911, the Cayman and Boxster are going to turbo flat 4.

[theiceman]

Not surprising at all given the fuel economy numbers and emmision specs manfacturers are trying to meet, and also trying to keep performance up .

In fact we all know it has already begun. The Macaan and Macaan turbo are in fact both turbo charged engines ...


I believe you wil see all manufacturers going this way as engines start getting smaller .

[JohnJL]

Good for the Cayman. Finally something readily tunable to get the right power into that prettly little unit.

[TheSt|G]

Ugh, all ruined. Cayman and Boxster are getting the worst of this.

[dicklague]

As a Saab enthusiast and owner, I find this interesting. Saab was killed by GM in 2010. They did not know what they had. The 95 has a 2.3L 260 HP turbo that would get 24 MPG around town and 31+ on the highway for a big 4 door sedan or wagon.

We still have 4 of these great cars in our family, 2 sedans and 2 wagons of 2001(2), 2003 and 2004 vintage. All continue to produce great fuel economy and great driving dynamics in great cars. They have lots of mileage, but are still going strong.....and with great fuel economy.

[Bob Kontak]

Am I missing something? We are all turbo-charged by now.

[Tippy]

Not surprising at all given the fuel economy numbers and emmision specs manfacturers are trying to meet, and also trying to keep performance up .



In fact we all know it has already begun. The Macaan and Macaan turbo are in fact both turbo charged engines ...





I believe you wil see all manufacturers going this way as engines start getting smaller .

Ditto

[gliding_serpent]

and 997 prices begin to rise!!!!

[Matt Monson]

I've been driving blown flat 4s for years. Might be time to buy myself a Cayman. It's the future of the gasoline engine.

[matt930s]

Those aeros were way ahead of their time. Great cars.

MattR

Originally Posted by dicklague

As a Saab enthusiast and owner, I find this interesting. Saab was killed by GM in 2010. They did not know what they had. The 95 has a 2.3L 260 HP turbo that would get 24 MPG around town and 31+ on the highway for a big 4 door sedan or wagon.

We still have 4 of these great cars in our family, 2 sedans and 2 wagons of 2001(2), 2003 and 2004 vintage. All continue to produce great fuel economy and great driving dynamics in great cars. They have lots of mileage, but are still going strong.....and with great fuel economy.

[gliding_serpent]

Originally Posted by theiceman

Not surprising at all given the fuel economy numbers and emmision specs manfacturers are trying to meet, and also trying to keep performance up .

In fact we all know it has already begun. The Macaan and Macaan turbo are in fact both turbo charged engines ...


I believe you wil see all manufacturers going this way as engines start getting smaller .

good point.

I am sure the new engines will be great. I must be getting old as I have little interest.

electric steering, muffled exhausts, computers... makes me love my older "solid state" cars.

[dicklague]

Originally Posted by matt930s

Those aeros were way ahead of their time. Great cars.

MattR

Thanks Matt. I have been driving a turbo Saab since my 1979 900 Turbo..... i had 4 mor 900s and one 9000 Aero, and our first 95 was a 1999 wagon, and we now have these 4 95s that are in the family. Very solid, underrated cars I will have our for a long time.

[Flieger]

Everybody swoons over early 911 Turbos (lag and relatively little power and all) but no one wants a turbo 911? I just don't get it. And complaining about a flat 4? What about the Carreras, 550 Spyders, RSKs, and 904-4s that built Porsche's reputation as a giant killer? That won the Targa Florio, Le Mans, the Carrera Panimericana. Or is it the turbo part, you know, the thing that made the fire-breathing 935s and won Le Mans many times in the middle of a 956/962 all the way up to the GT1?

I love vintage chassis (light weight, manual steering, unassisted brakes) but engines have never been better. I recently drove a base 986 Boxster and was amazed at the power available low in the rev range. I would look down and kept seeing the revs only 3000 or so and it was pulling just fine. My 2.7 RS spec needs to be at least 4500 rpm before it gets interesting. Variable valve timing and EFI are sadly better than MFI.

[Jerome74911S]

Sometimes 'better' isn't better. It depends on what you want and need. My Porsche is a hobby car, like 99.999% of the other cars represented on this forum. As such, the value of it to me is the fact that I can tinker on it, because it is simple enough that I can keep my mistakes down to a low(ish) level and still keep it running.

Sure, fuel economy and emissions considerations will shape future cars under production, but mine isn't under production and that's its saving grace. If I wanted a super-complex and very fast car I'd get something new, but my old 911 goes fast enough to get me into plenty of trouble as it is. I don't want a car that I can't understand.

[javadog]

What we don't like is having our choices made for us by clueless idiots. I speak not of Porsche, but of the jackasses that have decreed what future CAFE mileage standards will be. When I read that a fleet of Prius'es wouldn't meet the eventual standard, I figured sooner or later there will be no fun cars. Period.

Just like I don't want a ****ing PDK, I don't want some ******* dictating what I drive.

I've owned a bunch of turbos and they are fine if they are not the only car in the garage. I've owned 4 cylinder cars, too and, I don't like them. Especially, if they are turbocharged. I don't like the feel, the sound, or their typical powerband.

I sometimes wonder if the 919 project was handicapped from the start, because Porsche opted for a 4 cylinder, not because that was the best choice, but because that choice could be used down the road for marketing propaganda. You know, to convince us that turbo 4's were all the rage... Food for thought...

JR

[J0hnny]

Originally Posted by javadog

What we don't like is having our choices made for us by clueless idiots. I speak not of Porsche, but of the jackasses that have decreed what future CAFE mileage standards will be. When I read that a fleet of Prius'es wouldn't meet the eventual standard, I figured sooner or later there will be no fun cars. Period.

Just like I don't want a ****ing PDK, I don't want some ******* dictating what I drive.

I've owned a bunch of turbos and they are fine if they are not the only car in the garage. I've owned 4 cylinder cars, too and, I don't like them. Especially, if they are turbocharged. I don't like the feel, the sound, or their typical powerband.

I sometimes wonder if the 919 project was handicapped from the start, because Porsche opted for a 4 cylinder, not because that was the best choice, but because that choice could be used down the road for marketing propaganda. You know, to convince us that turbo 4's were all the rage... Food for thought...

JR

I think sometimes this is mostly psychological, some new turbo 4 engines have a broader power-band than say a early 2000's V8 engine, go to your nearest AMG dealer and try it yourself.

Volvo is coming with a really great turbo 4 engine.

Me personally, I'm all for the response of a n/a engine, that was not possible in the turbo engines of old, this is changing, if the engine has a crisp response, and a big area under the curve, I don't think we are going backwards.

[javadog]

I happen to like the smoothness and sound of a six. I don't happen to like either of those characteristics of a 4. This is all about fuel economy. They are not doing it because they want to.

Having owned a bunch of turbocharged cars, let me tell you the running costs will go up and the service life will go down. I hope you like PDK, because that will be shoved down our throats, too.

JR

[Synchro Joe]

Just like I don't want a ****ing PDK, I don't want some ******* dictating what I drive.

Yes, what javadog said!! PDK---NEIN!!!!!

[Jonny042]

I've been noticing an alarming number of new cars have "enhanced" engine noises via the stereo systems these days..... wonder if that's part of the plan. Ugh.

So what's the high point for non motorsport 911s? 997 3.8S?