i'm about to buy a 10 year barn 911sc..need advice

[krustydmc]

hi, i'm new here

i'm about to buy a 1980 911sc that was in storage for 10 years , owner did start car every year , fuel in thank is very old .

No rust , on the car low millage 89000 miles , great interior.good body . but i'm scared

1- should i walk away from this car ?

2- if no walk away , what should i check ?what may be a source of problem ?

3- how much should i pay for this car ?

thanks

[mreid]

Can't answer without knowing the price.

[krustydmc]

he's asking 20 000$

i'm affraid of the Bosch injection system

[mreid]

I'd be more concerned about all the gum and varnish in the fuel system. All is pretty straight forward to address. Why didn't he drive it for ten years? Could be a great buy, but there are many questions.

[tirwin]

There are plenty of threads on the forum pertaining to Bosch CIS. Everything you'll need to know is here. Generally speaking, there is no reason to be afraid of it.

Is this a U.S. car or ROW (Rest of World)?

A car that has been sitting for 10 years is going to need some maintenance, but you're probably expecting that, right? (If not, you should be.) Factor that into your cost. Use it as a negotiation tool.

The main thing is you want to know it hasn't been abused, so get a PPI -- paid private inspection.

Let us know where you are and perhaps someone on here will either being willing to do the inspection or recommend a shop that really knows these cars to do it. I would not recommend going to a Porsche dealership.

I can't help you on price much. You're probably in the ballpark BUT you need to factor in costs to get it roadworthy.

Barring any major issues and the right price, get it and drive it like you stole it!

[krustydmc]

us car ,

[krustydmc]

yes , the car is running

[SCadaddle]

Do you have another $10K in your back pocket over and above the $20K? If not I wouldn't walk I'd RUN FOREST RUN!

[Pstallo]

My thought is that you will definitely need several thousand more dollars at your disposal to make the car usable, but if you are looking at this as a long-term investment or don't mind doing some of the renovation work yourself, it is likely a reasonable deal.

I spent $25,000 for an 86 Cab that is in remarkable mechanical shape and the body and paint look great, but has still taken several thousand in interior work...so far.

[krustydmc]

20000+10000= 30000$ is this too much for a sc ?

[mikesride]

In my opinion.... if you have a budget of 30K to find an air cooled 911... walk away from this one, you can find a really good machine for less than that.
PS...If you get one, you will LOVE IT!!!!

[SCadaddle]

Originally Posted by krustydmc

20000+10000= 30000$ is this too much for a sc ?

Depends on how much you like the car and how bad you want it. I suggested another $10K in your back pocket for "the things you don't know that need to be repaired" such as but not limited to: Broken Dilivar head studs, worn valve guides, cruddy fuel system etc. etc. etc.

I'd further strongly suggest you do a LOT of research on your own and definitely find someone well versed in SC's (and their inherent problems) to look it over with you as others have stated---a PPI (Pre-Purchase-Inspection).

Good Luck!

[boyt911sc]

Krusty,

It is very difficult to give a good evaluation of a car over the Internet. Without seeing and test driving the car you will be hoping to get lucky. There is no easy way to find the real worth and value of the car without any physical inspection. In my case, the first thing I like to see is the condition of the interior and exterior paint, second question, is the engine running or not? All these have to be considered and factored. I could rebuild engines so having a running engine is a bonus.

For $20K, the car should be drive able or atleast you could start the engine. Any history of engine rebuild? Are the cylinder studs still the original Dilavar? Transmission is still good? There are too many questions to be answered. The more you know all these things the better for you to know which direction to go. The car might not need any major work except a tune-up but you do not know.

If the engine is in good mechanical condition, the CIS aspect is easy and simple. Get a PPI (pre-purchase inspection) done by someone who knows SC engines with CIS. Keep us posted.

Tony

[Jdub]

This could be great - but it really helps if you are comfortable with wrenching and have a garage space and tools. The SC is a really rewarding car, but there are some basics that will cost some money. What is your timeline? Do you have time to study up on this car, which gives you a chance to ask intelligent questions of the owner?

Or, and this happens a lot, does this guy think he has gold and won't budge? Guess I might not blame him...

[tirwin]

I would just add that it is a NEGOTIATION. Just because someone asks price X doesn't mean they won't take less. If the car is overall in good shape and you are interested, get a PPI from a QUALIFIED person. $100-200 spent to AVOID buying the wrong car is money will spent. A qualified person should be able to give you a reasonable estimate once they find any issues. If not, come back here and post the results and this forum can tell you.

Let's say the PPI finds something like a broken head stud. Present those facts to the owner and if you're still interested make an offer based on that information. I'm not saying be a jerk but you get my drift. The worst that can happen is they can say no. If they agree, you got it for what it was worth, if not, you move on.

[Trackrash]

If you figure a nice SC is worth $20k, that is a good starting point.

Take it to an EXPERIENCED PORSCHE mechanic for an inspection.

Make a list of everything it needs. Subtract those items from the $20K. If the seller balks, walk.

I can almost guarantee that if the lower head studs have not already been replaced, you will find broken ones when you remove the lower valve covers. You can then subtract $10K from the asking price. If you can do the work yourself AND the motor hasn't been abused you will be ahead of the game.

Additionally if there is ANY rust present in the body, I would get an estimate for repairs from someone who has experience restoring 911s. A respray on one of these cars can cost $5k or more.

I guess Tim and I were typing at the same time....

[krustydmc]

my promblem is that i'm the first one to contact him, he got a long list of buyers , from usa , france and canada ..... thoses cars are very popular , its crazy

[golfbuddy]

I bought an 82 SC two years ago for $29k with 79k miles on it. Had been stored for 4 years. Shop cleaned out the gas tank, lines, etc., new tires, and tuned it up. Great daily driver now and has appreciated $5-6k. Prices for SC still rising. Don't wait too long.

[SCadaddle]

Originally Posted by Trackrash

If you figure a nice SC is worth $20k, that is a good starting point.

Take it to an EXPERIENCED PORSCHE mechanic for an inspection.

Make a list of everything it needs. Subtract those items from the $20K. If the seller balks, walk.

I can almost guarantee that if the lower head studs have not already been replaced, you will find broken ones when you remove the lower valve covers. You can then subtract $10 from the asking price. If you can do the work yourself AND the motor hasn't been abused you will be ahead of the game.

Additionally if there is ANY rust present in the body, I would get an estimate for repairs from someone who has experience restoring 911s. A respray on one of these cars can cost $5k or more.

I guess Tim and I were typing at the same time....

That's not a single Hamilton or half a Jefferson. That's $10K. And that's a dandy reason to "store" an SC for 10 years!

[Matthew Barnes]

Interesting to note how many more SC related topics there are on the board these days.

I am biased, but the SC has to be the best value 'classic' Porsche around.
Considering how much cheaper they are than early IBs and the later 3.2, they give you all the thrills and they don't mind hard work. Being all mechanical, they are a pleasure to work on yourself.

Galvanised body and a bomb-proof motor mean they are more hardy than earlier cars, but climate and treatment over the years can hammer seals, and salt - even a little - can cause problems down the line.

The one issue with SCs - like 912s of old (last year!) - is that the price of the labour and the parts to sort one out is the same as more expensive cars. So your upside is much less if you choose to do the work and then sell. A paint job on a 3.0 Carrera, 1967 S or a 1980 SC costs pretty much the same. Roughly the same goes for rust removal or engine work.

Much like a few years ago when people said it wasn't worth doing a bare metal on anything other than an S because you would never get your money back! Ha, those were the days!