What kind of response do you expect to receive when you tell somebody they are clueless?

There is a background regarding Willy, if that's what you are referring to. He can be a stinker but I have respect for him. I have called him a chowder head at least 22 times and maybe only gotten two slams back. That says relatively unflappable in my book.

If his intent is to undermine your innovation, I am not seeing it. I have seen him chow down on large crow in a heated set of opinions more than once.

There is a sliver of a chance that you may be overly sensitive.

Interesting perspective considering the people here that you have such a problem with have been posting in the a/c threads long before you showed up making unsubstantiated, grandiose claims of air-conditioning god-dome.

OMG, I'm shocked! Do I smell a conspiracy on a PP thread. I think a full scale investigation is warranted. (of KelogGes--- heh heh)

wwest its time to expose you and what you have been doing here for years by passing Pelican Parts to hawk your BS fans in every a/c thread started by anyone in violation to the user agreements


Let’s put this back into the full correct context


This what I originally said


West edited what I said originally posted it this way

“Originally Posted by KelogGes
I don't need any additions to get colder temps than temps 30's degrees my system already get @ 95 F Ambient using ONLY 2 very lightweight pfc's in the OEM original body placement LoL”

This IS MUCH BIGGER THEN YOU THINK IT IS

Reid, this is utter lunacy.

Mr. West talks so much about the condenser fan idea because he thinks it works.

He gets a lot of argumentative push back from people that think the fan idea does not work well enough to warrant installing them.

He has never once indicated that he is selling fans of any sort, and nobody thinks he is (but you).

Where is the user agreement violation?

Where is the a/c conspiracy?

Willy is as tight as a crab's butt when it comes to AC spend. He has posted a squilion links to inexpensive, yet functional parts.

Are they parts the 911 owner will buy? Maybe, maybe not. But he ain't making money off of his typing.

marry him

Why let him bother you?

go look in any a/c thread regardless of subject here over the last 4-5 years and you will see my answer

notice this also
I did not edit this in anyway

Originally Posted by wwest View Post
My factory system could match that (Memphis, August) easily, and with a few inexpensive modifications(***) will not only beat it but do so with the engine at idle.

*** Spal fans to increase the efficiency of the rear lid condenser when needed.

I have posted in most every one of them. I do know your answer. He can be a buzz kill. Full stop.

I do not know how to make Willy change into someone you, Ronnie , Charlie or me (among dozens of others) would generally embrace. I am serious. I just don't know. There have been hundreds of well articulated posts begging for a recess.

He does respond favorably to technical challenge and I think that is what he is looking for.

Maybe try to appease him with that? I don't have enough AC HP, I think you do.

Simply said to get under your skin.

Not a chance this is viable vs advanced heat exchangers. Zero plausibility.

Bob lets just say he is kind of a loon

The real problem here is in the A/C treads!

Where everyone thinks they know something when they don't which is not really bad thing in itself''

The Problem is the rat pack who supports them and totally destroys the thread over stupidity and Innuendo etc

and its a free for all

(not sure if I am saying this right?)

But I think you will get the gist of what I mean

The other thing is the lack of moderation from the moderators for the adult children
until its usually too late

then you are part of the problem there is here PLAYING MIND GAMES

ITS PROVEN

SAY YOUR PIECE THAN MOVE ALONG

KLING TO OLD TECHNOLOGY

Like you, for example, and you've demonstrated a non-willingness to learn.


If the moderators did as you suggest here, then 99% of your posts would be deleted and your sales-pitch & smoke-and-mirrors threads nixed immediately.

I am saying a stock system with a few minor improvements such as a spal fan or a binary switch cannot compare to a system with advanced heat exchanging capabilities such as your condensers.

I am not playing mind games. I am trying to be remotely adult like and call them like I see them.

Do some research...!!

Every owner of a '78-88 with factory A/C that is fully operational will tell you that it meets your criteria after 20-30 minutes of highway cruising. Even Pelican technical notes advise owners to reduce the cooling level from max. within 20-30 minutes in order to prevent evaporator freezing.

Will the factory A/C provide more rapid cabin cooldown than one with aftermarket enhancements..??

Probably not... it depends...

Most aftermarket front lip condensers, like yours, primarily only use blower supplied cooling airflow, whereas the factory tube/fin is specifically designed to take advantage of that aspect... The faster your drive (this IS a Porsche!) the more A/C capability you will have.

Does using a more efficient aftermarket engine lid condenser, such as your PFC, help as much as providing additional cooling airflow when the engine cooling fan airflow is inadequate?

Has anyone provided any comparative data one method vs the other??

There can be no question that a more efficient rear lid condenser will add refrigerant condensing capability.

Also, there can be no question that providing additional cooling airflow, make-up airflow, when that supplied by the engine cooling fan is inadequate, will add refrigerant cooling capability.

Assuming either will provide adequate cooling enhancement what is the comparative gain adjusted by cost??

A trinary pressure switch plus 2 Spal 12 volt cooling fans vs Yours or Kuehl's IMPROVED rear lid condenser?

I GUESS EVERY MANUFACTURE IN THE WORLD HAS SWITCHED TO THIS TECHNOLOGY IS WRONG LOL

time to stop wasting my time with you

go sit in the corner and talk to the hand

Reversing The Gases
My PFC's

Are Real and are better then any other solution for making an early model 911 COLD

Wait, what technology, fans blowing across the main condenser and trinary switches??

Um...I think that EVERY MANUFACTURE (sic) IN THE WORLD just just that.

I'm waiting for you to admit that you didn't invent the "reverse gas flow". Go on, it's OK, we'll wait.

A claim which still has no proof. Or even supporting evidence.

Reid never admits he's wrong. He just pouts and leaves the forum for a year.

My 81 stock system (ok - a Sanden) is at best in the low 50's vent temps when running well on a tepid day in Ohio.

Is this out of line with the norm? I never have heard an owner of a stock system in the years you are talking say "Damn, my evaporator keeps freezing up on me"

Not taking sides - just saying what I see.

Originally Posted by KelogGes
DUH ok rofl prove it

and market it here on Pelican Parts

its time people see right through you AND YOUR BS!

All my testing has been verified

By an imaginary friend, no doubt.

If you had any actual evidence, you would have posted it by now. If this were Ronnie making these claims, you'd be the first to shout "liar!"

Where is the proof of this?

You have not demonstrated anything here that equals my custom system (similar to what many other people are running), utilizing a combination of serpentine and tube & fin heat exchanges, much less surpasses it in performance.

But wait, he keeps repeating the claim, so it must be true, right?!?!?!

Exactly!

When I take my putting up with Ronnie medicine, I just can't keep up.

May just look at porn for a while. :D

Bob, since when can a factory A/C system, fully operational, not meet KelogGes' above stated criteria?

30dF vent temps with OAT at 95dF, or even higher, is easily done with a factory system, at least the one in my '88, and I expect the '78 that I sold.

On the other hand, I do not subscribe to the idea of undercharging the A/C system in order to get vent temps, I think the system needs a full refrigerant charge to best handle a full heat load and pull the cabin temp down to a reasonable comfort level, ~75dF, quickest.

And I admit that I am growing tired of seeing these low vent temps quoted absent disclosure of the system inlet temperature. OAT is important to the overall equation but with without knowing the system inlet temperature that bit of information is useless.

It only takes about 20-30 minutes "at speed" over on the Wa dry side, HOT side, for my '88 to get vent temperatures in the range KelogGes quotes.

But even in our LS400, or the RX300, I am of the habit of turning the system to max cooling (or heat in winter), and then moderating the setting the airflow or air temperature begins to be discomforting.

Not a single person who posts in these threads has said, or implied, this except you, Reid. The issue here is that you claim that the micro-channel gear that you make vastly outperforms other options in 911 a/c applications, and the evidence you have provided does not support your claim.

I didn't know there was anything on the market capable of such a feat!!!

How can that be? You tell us that you can't supply before and after comparative data.

Who does? Certainly nobody I've seen post in the Pelican a/c threads (except maybe Reid with the "reverse gas" stuff).

Agreed - I have always fully charged my a/c systems (in all vehicles I have worked on).

^^^ Sorry, but this is just plain silly.

The moderators are watching this thread

The only thing I see is harassment over and over coming from the same people

Well, not really. If the inlet temp is 150*F and the outlet temp is 28*F, you have done some serious work.

If the inlet temp is 40*F and the outlet temp is 28*F, you're not doing much of anything.

While wwest might think he has scored some points there, he hasn't. Folks dont't run the AC in their garage in a closed car for an hour before showing vent temps. They are doing this stuff with the car doors open, during the charging and testing phase of the process. When people say what the climatic conditions are at the time of the test, they are giving a rough idea of what the inlet temp is. yes, over some time, you can get the cabin down to 60*F and nearly zero humidity. And then you can crank the thing up and get 23*F vent temps. :) But nobody is doing it like this, so its a bogus question.

A wolf pack with an agenda ONLY to harass IN The Pelican AlC Forums IS What you have

You sold that to your son-in-law if I remember?

Anyhoo, I am a little confused given the fight discseven had to get his vent temps into the 30's that a stock SC can pull 30F vent temps as normal. He did have a 3.2 - but not a later one, maybe an 85?

Just my limited experience. Not wanting to wrestle one bit.