Installing an air conditioning unit

[wwest]

Originally Posted by omgitrobby

Does anyone here install an air conditioning unit for a Carrera 3.2? Is there an idea of how much this will cost? The 911 in question doesn't have an AC unit at all just the fresh air blower. We are looking for an estimate or anyone willing to do the work. Any ideas?

Comparison shopping..

14,000 BTU, about equal to the one in our 28" MH.

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[SilberUrS6]

Originally Posted by wwest

First, I already get "similar" (PNW "wet side") performance just by adding fans to help cool the rear lid condenser

No you don't.

That's a complete fabrication.

[wwest]

Originally Posted by SilberUrS6

No you don't.

That's a complete fabrication.

And you know that, HOW?

[SilberUrS6]

Originally Posted by wwest

And you know that, HOW?

Physics.

[wwest]

Originally Posted by SilberUrS6

Physics.

Sure, calculation without data, works for me..

[Iciclehead]

Originally Posted by Hot Euro

I went to Griff first but he had no kit for a complete install. My 81 ROW SC had no history of ever having a/c. I tried to pick up used parts to complete an install such as evap box, front condenser, front condenser blower (was going to be a problem). The retroair kit is not perfect since it is a universal kit made to fit all Porsche's from mid 70s thru 80s. It worked for me and I am happy with it.

Ditto, I went with RetroAire for the same reason and with similar results. The parts are what I would call "workmanlike", but good quality and certainly good value for money.

Now to be fair, the '89 I am working on that will have a 993 condenser and a bunch of other stuff is using a whole lot of Griff's stuff, they are more elegant, well engineered and very nice parts. I am not thrilled with a few of his choices (e.g. the condenser in the rear fender), but I am impressed with the engineering he has applied and certainly think it is "good stuff".

I also give him credit for participating in these forums, you don't see much of Rock from RetroAire here and that alone will aim my future business at Griff....

Dennis

[wwest]

Originally Posted by Iciclehead

Ditto, I went with RetroAire for the same reason and with similar results. The parts are what I would call "workmanlike", but good quality and certainly good value for money.

Now to be fair, the '89 I am working on that will have a 993 condenser and a bunch of other stuff is using a whole lot of Griff's stuff, they are more elegant, well engineered and very nice parts. I am not thrilled with a few of his choices (e.g. the condenser in the rear fender), but I am impressed with the engineering he has applied and certainly think it is "good stuff".

I also give him credit for participating in these forums, you don't see much of Rock from RetroAire here and that alone will aim my future business at Griff....

Dennis

For those with no other choice the front of the driver's side makes sense, whereas in the rear near the CATALYST and EXHAUST not so much.

You might find Rock having, needing, more presence here if he doubled the prices.

[Iciclehead]

Originally Posted by wwest

For those with no other choice the front of the driver's side makes sense, whereas in the rear near the CATALYST and EXHAUST not so much.

You might find Rock having, needing, more presence here if he doubled the prices.

My 993 condenser is going into the front, here is the link to my project (which I update only sporadically I must admit).

Fitting 6 speed G50 to '89 Carrera

Since it is combined with a backdate, the front vent does bring some air inlet area, plus I put some extra clearance around the late valance foglights to get the airflow.

I am debating (since I will still be short of condensing capacity with the 993), whether to use the smaller Sanden 505 compressor. Might have higher duty cycle the odd time, but it is lighter, shorter and will fit the engine intake system a little better (PMO TB's).

Dennis

[SilberUrS6]

Originally Posted by wwest

For those with no other choice the front of the driver's side makes sense, whereas in the rear near the CATALYST and EXHAUST not so much.

Again, there is no need to worry about the exhaust and the catalyst. The heat transfer is not an issue at all.

What was that about presenting opinion without calculation, again? Do you have any self-awareness at all?

[SilberUrS6]

Originally Posted by wwest

Sure, calculation without data, works for me..

I have never seen your testing data. Hoist by your own petard? (I already presented the data previously. It's not my fault you couldn't understand it.)

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by Iciclehead

Griff's stuff, they are more elegant, well engineered and very nice parts.

Originally Posted by wwest

You might find Rock having, needing, more presence here if he doubled the prices.

Elegant, well engineered, nice parts. A delta free cost vs Rock's stuff would be awesome, right?

Man, you are having a field day, Willy.

[Iciclehead]

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak

Elegant, well engineered, nice parts. A delta free cost vs Rock's stuff would be awesome, right?

I am willing to pay for quality where I need it....and where I can afford it. Now, to be fair, the car is still in about a million pieces, the jury will remain out until such time as it is all in and working, but I am not worried a bit.

There are a number of vendors (Elephant, Rennline, Griffiths, D-Zug and a few others) where the fact that they are engineering, building and selling parts for cars which ended their tiny production run over 20 years ago is a very good thing. I do not expect "low cost" to be a factor in any of them, I am just happy they are staying in business and making the parts I want to buy.

Dennis

[SilberUrS6]

Originally Posted by Iciclehead

I am willing to pay for quality where I need it....and where I can afford it. Now, to be fair, the car is still in about a million pieces, the jury will remain out until such time as it is all in and working, but I am not worried a bit.

There are a number of vendors (Elephant, Rennline, Griffiths, D-Zug and a few others) where the fact that they are engineering, building and selling parts for cars which ended their tiny production run over 20 years ago is a very good thing. I do not expect "low cost" to be a factor in any of them, I am just happy they are staying in business and making the parts I want to buy.

Dennis

Obviously, wwest thinks they should be free. But for such a low-volume production, and such high quality, something has to give. Oh, and the fact that he offers help to people who don't even buy his stuff. Because he's a salesman? Maybe. But more than that, you can tell he loves these cars just as much as we do.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by SilberUrS6

But for such a low-volume production, and such high quality, something has to give.

Seems you have not been keeping up on current events.

This is what Willy said last week when assessing CG stuff vs one of his competitors in the big Dave M thread.

Originally Posted by wwest

If you have need of Charlie's help, directions, guidance, then the price "might" be justified.

Otherwise both are very likely to be exactly the same Asian built product.

We be havin' us a dichotomy here. Elegant and well engineered vs same Asian built product.

Call me quick to judge but there be a little something in the MF woodpile.

[Ronnie's.930]

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak

. . . woodpile.

Ha ha - you said "wood"!!!

[SilberUrS6]

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak

Seems you have not been keeping up on current events.

This is what Willy said last week when assessing CG stuff vs one of his competitors in the big Dave M thread.



We be havin' us a dichotomy here. Elegant and well engineered vs same Asian built product.

Call me quick to judge but there be a little something in the MF woodpile.

This is what trolls do. PP management would only need to read these threads once to figure out wwest is trolling. Yeah, I remember he was claiming GTI's stuff was the very same stuff that other folks sold for half. Of course, this is a total fabrication. Like most of what he writes, he just makes stuff up as he goes along. I think he's trying to get Charlie to just say "fsck it, I'm out" by acting as childishly and trollish as he can.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by SilberUrS6

I think he's trying to get Charlie to just say "fsck it, I'm out" by acting as childishly and trollish as he can.

Why can't he just lie about his wiener size. At least that would be a masculine trait.

Instead of full on girly man.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by SilberUrS6

PP management would only need to read these threads once to figure out wwest is trolling.

They read them. They know.

PP management......Laissez-faire, astoundingly milquetoast, but on the upside, obsequious.

Real nice of them to let this imbecile rouge persist.

[Bucketlist]

Originally Posted by Hot Euro

I installed an a/c in my 1981 SC Turbo last winter. I bought the kit from Retroair and It took about 40hrs to install it myself. Total cost was about $3g. Can't live without it in West Texas. Here is the link to my post:

Retroair complete system in my non a/c car

Took a little run this afternoon. Outside temp in the 90s. Stopped in the shade and scanned the windshield with the IR thermometer and it read 99.8*. My gage in the center ac vent read 45*. It was cool and comfortable in the car.

[SilberUrS6]

Nice!