Combining short and long hood attributes

[kyngfish]

Not to spark off any kind of debate or anything, but I was looking through pictures of some of the "outlaw" mods and something occurred to me. As much love as the long hoods get over the short hoods, to me personally, the proportions of the short hood, height, bumper to hood, lights to bumper and lower valance are actually BETTER on the short hood cars than the long hood, I just think it gets too noisy with all the rubber. For the rear, the long hood rear bumper to my eye looks better because the vertical (chrome or fiberglass) bumperettes break up the plane in a nicer way, though, I don't feel that strongly on one vs the other.

So in building my ideal 911 in my head, it lead me to the question, has anyone ever mixed an iroc front with a long hood back? What does it look like? Pics?

[brasch]

I have seen many, there was a red SC in Panamera couple years ago that had the same set up your talking about. I am if the opinion to make every car your own, do what you like and leverage the many options and looks that can be combined to make an outlaw your own

[kent olsen]

Put your own personality into your car no matter what others say.
My 72t has an S front, fiberglass trunk lid, two rearview mirrors from a Cobra, Australian Superlite wheels, fiberglass ducktail and a 74 rear valance.

I like it, I use it and she just went over 240,000 miles on my way back to Oregon from our RGRUPPE annual get together in Napa, Ca.

[Flieger]

Originally Posted by kyngfish

Not to spark off any kind of debate or anything, but I was looking through pictures of some of the "outlaw" mods and something occurred to me. As much love as the long hoods get over the short hoods, to me personally, the proportions of the short hood, height, bumper to hood, lights to bumper and lower valance are actually BETTER on the short hood cars than the long hood, I just think it gets too noisy with all the rubber. For the rear, the long hood rear bumper to my eye looks better because the vertical (chrome or fiberglass) bumperettes break up the plane in a nicer way, though, I don't feel that strongly on one vs the other.

So in building my ideal 911 in my head, it lead me to the question, has anyone ever mixed an iroc front with a long hood back? What does it look like? Pics?

I share your opinion. Particularly when the flares are only RS width the short hood rear bumper looks too heavy. Now, when you have 3.0 RSR vented flares and fenders I think it looks good.

[Tremelune]

It'll look a lot like this:

Custom 1977 Porsche 911 Targa | Bring a Trailer

Ugly, and unbalanced, in my opinion. Indeed, I think the '73 IROC bumpers are hideous, and there's one on the front of my car right now. The best feature of the impact-bumper cars are all the black trim. They break up the expanses of color and tie the whole car together. It's why these cars look good in every color.

Of course, do what you want—that's the whole point, and opinions are like assh0les. That saaaid...keep the trim or go full longhood.

[echecsqueen]

Originally Posted by kent olsen

Put your own personality into your car no matter what others say.
My 72t has an S front, fiberglass trunk lid, two rearview mirrors from a Cobra, Australian Superlite wheels, fiberglass ducktail and a 74 rear valance.

I like it, I use it and she just went over 240,000 miles on my way back to Oregon from our RGRUPPE annual get together in Napa, Ca.

I like this ride!

[shamrok]

There was a car on BaT recently that had an SC RS front and a longhood rear bumper, he pulled it off well I think.







More pictures here.

[J-Mac]

Go here Accumoto 911 Story — Accumoto Motorsport
White car with grey stripes. Long hood rear short hood front. Looks great imo.

[kyngfish]

Originally Posted by Tremelune

Ugly, and unbalanced, in my opinion. Indeed, I think the '73 IROC bumpers are hideous, and there's one on the front of my car right now. The best feature of the impact-bumper cars are all the black trim. They break up the expanses of color and tie the whole car together.

The example from BAT doesn't look like IROC bumpers? Or are there two separate styles? The one I'm thinking of has a lower valance with a decent sized front splitter.

Anyway. I actually like the look of the stock bumper with the black rubber lip spoiler. That said if I had an extra stock bumper I'd remove the black plastic strip and get someone to weld a smooth front?

Maybe the reason you give is why a lot of those "outlaws" with the IROC bumpers go two tone. But there's a build someone did in Miami blue that I think is either on sale or sold recently with body color IROC bumpers that looks awesome.

[froggert]

Here are some pics of my car with SCRS front bumper and longhood rear:

[kent olsen]

STRIPES ! I forgot that was an old picture. Here's the new one with STRIPES

[RSBob]

I am a big proponent of do what makes you happy and to hell with the nay sayers. Kent's car is a great example of a hybrid which pulls off mixed eras, however I believe, and Kent correct me if I am wrong, takes an early rear end with larger bumperettes with an insert piece, thus preserving the proportionality on the car's side view of bumper width.

However, from a design aesthetic point of view, when one has a fat impact bumper on the front and a skinny early bumper on the back, or vice versa, one end looks out of proportion and heavier than the other. Those who can live with this mismatch have my blessing because I am far more anal about design and balance, but then I am old skool.

[kyngfish]

These cars really look pretty awesome. I especially like Froggert's car. Really nice.

Thanks for all the feedback and info.

[kent olsen]

Rick
Yes the rear valance is different, not sure if it's stock 74 or after market. I also like that the muffler tips exit right under the fiberglass bumperettes. It's all fiberglass and I really liked the PORSCHE reflector, so as many of my friends tell me to replace it with the stock rear, it's still there after 20 years.

[gtc]

Here's another one:
438 lbs gone in 5 days - My Build Story

[Cory M]

Accumoto:

custom bumpers, front iroc style is tucked close to body, rear combines long hood and iroc details

Accumoto

[kyngfish]

Originally Posted by Cory M

Accumoto:

custom bumpers, front iroc style is tucked close to body, rear combines long hood and iroc details

I definitely see the imbalance someone else mentioned in that profile picture. I much prefer the other pictures with the SCRS front bumper.

Does anyone know the aero impacts for having the SCRS bumper which has no front splitter combined with a ducktail? I thought that was a nono? Or is there a front spoiler I don't see?

[kyngfish]

Originally Posted by gtc

Here's another one:
438 lbs gone in 5 days - My Build Story

Thanks for this. You definitely handled the imbalance problem by doing the two-tone bumper color on the underside - really awesome. I looked through some of the pictures but I didn't see any straight on, profile pics, do you have any?

[911jettat]

Interesting comments OP.

I hear a lot of negative comments about the front of the 964. Years ago I snapped these pictures to focus on the differences (and huge similarities) between the two bumper designs.
I don't think most people realize how close they are...






And the back end too...

[Edoyle]

Pretty cool to see those two cars side by side: They do share many more similarities than differences.