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spuggy 08-14-2019 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by lvporschepilot (Post 10558339)
That's great info. Will look into that with AEM software. Using Motec Hall sensors for both crank and cam.

Ah, sorry, that probably won't apply then....

My cam sensor is hall effect, with Bosch mag for ref. Signal from the hall sensor is digital (6.35V or 0V), nothing in-between, it's only the mag sensor that varies output with speed/susceptible to interpreting noise as signal at cranking speed (because the voltage peak is so low there - it's over 10V peak @ 1000 RPM).

Mind, it never hurts to examine everything with a critical eye again and again... :)

If its only a "first cold start" and warm starts are fine, might be related to parameters for wetting the intake - MoTec has a "first pulse" to get things wet - (and a "post start" for extra fuel for a few seconds over and above warmup comp). Maybe the "first pulse" isn't enough? Hard to imagine it could inject "too much" on a single pulse :D

pampadori 08-14-2019 12:05 PM

This is my start tab. My engine will start almost immediately if it has any warmth in it at all. If stone cold, with itb's I also have to lightly touch the throttle to get a quick, smooth start.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1565819561.jpg

Post a screenshot of yours and we can compare.

pampadori 08-14-2019 01:07 PM

Mike, I forgot that you sent me a copy of your calibration previously. So I took a screenshot of your start tab to compare to mine:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1565819561.jpg

kuehl 08-14-2019 01:54 PM

Nice to see plenty of AEM here, now I don't have to call their Tech Support line as often.?

xbmwguy 08-14-2019 01:55 PM

Where are the maps for turbo guys?

lvporschepilot 08-14-2019 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by pampadori (Post 10558737)

Post a screenshot of yours and we can compare.

Going to make a couple changes to ignition timing while cranking and report back by this weekend! My 9yo broke her arm so I've been tied up with that a bit. Gracious. many thanks for posting this!

Knockdown 08-14-2019 04:50 PM

Are you getting crank timing errors while cranking the motor? I set the resync on missing crank triggers to ignore on the diagnostic page in the wizard.

IROC 912 08-14-2019 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by xbmwguy (Post 10558859)
Where are the maps for turbo guys?

I agree :D My car is running pretty well these days ... can keep up with a 997 Turbo through 2nd, 3rd and 4th with a 3.2L at 0.5 bar. Can only imagine what more HP would feel like.

Cold start at 10 Deg C on the first crank and smooth idle with 3.2 idle valve and PID timing control on AEM Infinity.

Start Tables below

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1565833703.JPG

mikedsilva 08-14-2019 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pampadori (Post 10558818)
Mike, I forgot that you sent me a copy of your calibration previously. So I took a screenshot of your start tab to compare to mine:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1565819561.jpg

Looking at my after start table, it seems that my map is pulling fuel.. is that correct? And yours is not making any changes.
Also, mine has quite a few more degrees timing when cranking..

My initial map was set up by a shop, and only the VE table has been changed by me...
Should I try your tables and see if it helps?

pampadori 08-15-2019 02:59 AM

I believe that having less Ign timing during cranking allows the engine to turn faster and be less stressful on the starter. It might have some impact on how combustion occurs at the low rpm speeds that you see when cranking the engine too.

The LamdaAfterStartTrim does appear to be pulling out fuel for up to 20 secs. Try setting those to 0 and see how it responds. The LambdaCrankingTable is also a bit leaner at the hotter temps than mine. I think mine are "out of the box" settings though. Maybe try changing those settings too.

IROC 912 08-15-2019 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by pampadori (Post 10559324)
The LamdaAfterStartTrim does appear to be pulling out fuel for up to 20 secs. Try setting those to 0 and see how it responds. The LambdaCrankingTable is also a bit leaner at the hotter temps than mine. I think mine are "out of the box" settings though. Maybe try changing those settings too.

My understanding of the afterstart trim table is that it reduces your idle lambda by the amount in the table for the duration you specify. If your idle lambda is 14.2, say from 500 RPM to 1500 RPM, it is reduced by -1.76, -1.47 to 12.44, 12.73 etc over 20 secs during warm up. This is consistent with my start up logs.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1565875254.JPG

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1565875268.JPG

pampadori 08-15-2019 05:53 AM

Iroc, so you're saying that a negative number in the Lambdaafterstarttrim would result in a target AFR that is richer the amount of time designated? I wasn't sure if it was a percentage or what.
If that is the case, then Mike and lvporschepilot's issue are likely something else entirely.

Where is Jayson at? He'd know for sure.

What does everyone have set for their cam sync setting? the ecu will not fire inj or coils until the cam sensor is sync'd so, as I understand it, if you have a lower value it cranks less time before that sync occurs. I'm getting out of my comfort zone on this topic because I don't have a full understanding of it and how it affects the starting of the engine. I rephased my EPM so that i could use a 0 value in camsyncadjustment and I recall it starting much easier/sooner after that.

lvporschepilot 08-15-2019 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pampadori (Post 10558737)
This is my start tab. My engine will start almost immediately if it has any warmth in it at all. If stone cold, with itb's I also have to lightly touch the throttle to get a quick, smooth start.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1565819561.jpg

Post a screenshot of yours and we can compare.

This did the trick. HUGE thanks. Almost effortless now.

mikedsilva 08-15-2019 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by lvporschepilot (Post 10560265)
This did the trick. HUGE thanks. Almost effortless now.


Which tables did you use/change?

Mike

lvporschepilot 08-16-2019 02:46 AM

All of them. Just literally copied his setup and figured I would give that a whack first. Funny thing is they weren’t all that different from what I already had, but it still made a noticeable difference.

lvporschepilot 08-16-2019 10:05 AM

Question for the gallery. For throttle acceleration a/f settings, how rich do you like to see the mix get when blipping the throttle? This is the setting that mimics a carburetors accelerator pump function. Mine dips into around 10.5:1 depending on how fast I hit the pedal, which is of course all tunable. Seems to run well that way but not sure if that's entirely too rich or not.

spuggy 08-16-2019 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xbmwguy (Post 10558859)
Where are the maps for turbo guys?

Here's mine - where's yours? :D

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1565979023.jpg

Most of the poorly-blended areas don't matter, as the motor never gets there...

mikedsilva 08-16-2019 02:12 PM

Can I ask for input on Injection Timing.

My car was tuned at a shop (but they don't tune porsches) that was willing to work with the AEM, and I am not sure my injection timing tables were modded by them, or as they came with the base tune from Aem.

Is there such a thing as a 'standard' injection timing map/table? Or does it really vary depending on your setup?

mikedsilva 08-16-2019 03:10 PM

Here is the FI Timing table I received when it was tuned.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1565996993.png

mikedsilva 08-16-2019 03:13 PM

And I think I found the stock FI table from my initial Rasant Tune...http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1565997238.png


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