Engine rebuilding class

[usera]

I am in, I met Tony and can tell you that he is one of the most interesting guys I have ever met. Probably the smartest too.

[utbeamer]

It would be awesome if the class was recorded!

[mikedsilva]

Originally Posted by garment

Evening Pelicans:

Taking the winter off from any big projects following last winter's suspension project.

Too cold in the garage to work nights, so probably for the best...

My mind is turning to a full engine rebuild on my '83SC with 165K on the clock. I know the headstuds have been replaced in the past, so all good there. My issues are heavy oil use (I add a quart about every 500-600 miles) plus an oil leak at cylinder 4. Car still pulls well, but I def. wonder how much better it could be...

When I did my suspension I had that "what have I done?" moment where all the parts were spread out on the floor, and I think I will have that in spades on a full engine rebuild. Not saying I won't wind up doing the rebuild, but...

YouTube videos are only so instructive. I've been paging through Wayne's engine rebuild book. You can tell I kind of have the rebuild bug.

Seeing things done and hands-on is always best in my opinion. I saw a couple of threads on engine rebuilding classes, but they seem defunct now. Does anyone have info on a class that I've not yet located?

Thanks, Pelicans!

I stripped and rebuilt my 964 after reading Waynes book, watching Nick Fulljames videos as he stripped an rebuilt Peter Morgans engine, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEajH5xvMAo, I also bought the 964 engine build dvd from PFIXIT... and there was a series of assembly of a 930... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Cokalz_cVM
And then there is this 930 being assembled https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MmSCxqnkZg

I think if you are a methodical and patient person, and prepared to buy some tools, it can be done.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by mikedsilva

..........watching Nick Fulljames videos as he stripped an rebuilt Peter Morgans engine.............

Cut my teeth on a Peter Morgan book back in the 90's.

He is the most boring man alive but so damned thorough.

I really like the idea of Tony running a class.

[boyt911sc]

Dear fellow 911 enthusiasts,

I was not expecting to receive numerous PM’s after I made the post regarding the proposed engine rebuilding class as suggested by Brian. A fellow member generously offered the use of his 2.5 car garage but it is located some 300 miles away from my home. Moving the engines, equipment, tools, etc. would be a big logistic undertaking.

My two car carport will be sufficient if I park my cars at my son’s house which is only a few miles away. So we could do the engine tear down and disassembly at my car port including some lectures. And the engine assembly in my basement (clean room).

Participants will have the opportunity to experience actual engine tear down and assembly with less stress because you are practicing using my engines under supervision of course. Three (3) to five (5) participants in a group or class would be ideal. The first semester starts in April 2018. Probably a good date would before or after the Hershey Swap Meet. Anyone know the date? I will be away traveling in May and August 2018, so June and July 2018 are next.

Waiver:
I am not an authorized or trained Porsche engine rebuilder. Have only rebuilt 14 engines as of today and only three (3) race engines. The rest are street cars. Not an expert but have good success so far.

Bruce Abbott and Mike Bruns were the two individual I considered my mentors. Who unselfishly guided me through the early days of my getting into engine rebuilding. I could not thank them enough. Last but not the least is John Walker. I have been calling him for the last 20 years for ideas and suggestions. With these guys’ support, how could you not succeed?

Tony

[jferrante]

in for april

[RDUNCe30]

Tony,

Another NC car owner (82 911SC, over 216 k miles) here and a fan of Bruce's. I have had the opportunity to visit him at his shop in Nash County and spend a couple of Saturdays with him and other air cooled folks (organized by John D., aka GothingNC).

If I need a rebuild, I'd love to try it myself, but Bruce is 40 miles away and a great guy. Whether I try it myself or get in line for Bruce, I think your school would be a great reference for me and other wannabe apprentice mechanics.

I am interested in attending a class or watching via SKYPE (and paying for the privilege).

After seeing this thread, I thought of a guy (Jim Von Baden) on the Adventure Rider website who has created a cottage industry out of instructional videos on BMW motorcycle maintenance. Link below is to his site. He started with a couple of videos on routine maintenance and valve adjustments. This might be a model for you or others.

JVB Productions

I look forward to seeing how this develops.

Regards,
Sam

[ben parrish]

I am interested in this but have a few questions.
How many days are you anticipating the class to be?
What type of fee are you anticipating it to cost participants?
Are you providing the engine or looking for "donor" motors?
If a participant wanted to provide the engine, what would be the cost for rebuild?

[Trackrash]

Panorama last month, December, had an article about The Knowledge Gruppe, that offers classes for watercooled? M96/97 Engine Classes | Product Categories | The Knowledge Gruppe

A search also showed up another rebuild school, again for waterpumpers. Engine Rebuild School

Why not air cooled classes? I guess this is an outdated post? Bruce Anderson 911 Porsche Blog: CLASSES

[Eric at Pelican Parts]

I'd love to attend a rebuilding class as well, but doubt i'd be able to make it. It would be awesome to have it on live stream (Facebook Live or Youtube) for people who can't make it. I bet there's a pretty nice sized audience who would love to learn the ins and outs on rebuilding the motors!

[boyt911sc]

Guys,

I started a separate thread about introduction to engine rebuilding class. For those of you that have expressed interest, please post your information in the other thread. So I have everyone interested in one place. I will contact you via email for the date acceptable to participants. Probably could do 2 classes in April 2018. Nothing finalize at the moment. Thanks.

Tony

[Pfitz911]

I vote Al Kosmal...

[Rich76_911s]

There is a pretty good overview of the whole process on speedacademy's youtube page that was down with Turbokraft. It's several episodes long and very informative. Though it's not a complete course.

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[gduke2010]

Have you thought about putting the class online for owners who live to far from Philadelphia to attend?

[RDM]

Originally Posted by gduke2010

Have you thought about putting the class online for owners who live to far from Philadelphia to attend?

All it takes is many hours... and much money. Given this is a quasi-volunteer offer, I think we should all be grateful for what's on the table and not ask for more.

As a teacher, I can tell you a taped / broadcast / whatever version would be much less useful than holding the parts in your hands and asking your questions in person.

[reachme]

. . .while we are dreaming.

Would be amazing for someone to do a class around building a 3.6 NA engine with those new 3.6 cases being poured.

The buy in to the course could include all the parts and everybody starts from the same place. Sure you can't exactly tuck it under your arm and walk out when the class is over but shipping is not insurmountable. Maybe dyno before shipping.

That way someone who wanted to learn but can't afford could build the engine for someone else selling at the end to pay for the course.

ok end of dream. This is a lot of work and it is easy to post a comment and move on. I appreciate all the offers of knowledge transfer in this post. What a great group!

[tlholliday]

Count me in. Currently rebuilding an engine

[Brian Cameron]

Tony, am thrilled to see the uptake on your rebuild course idea. You have too much to offer to languish in retirement!

Sorry if your wife now hates me...

Maybe if you make a bottle of nice wine for her part of the admission fee that would offset the annoyance of losing you to the garage for a few days.

[boyt911sc]

Originally Posted by Brian Cameron

Tony, am thrilled to see the uptake on your rebuild course idea. You have too much to offer to languish in retirement!

Sorry if your wife now hates me...

Maybe if you make a bottle of nice wine for her part of the admission fee that would offset the annoyance of losing you to the garage for a few days.

Brian,

This is all your fault by suggesting to me to offer an engine rebuild class. Just kidding. Seriously, I was not expecting this many people getting interested in this class. With these many interested people wanting to participate in this undertaking, I have no recourse but move the venue to a more appropriate location. Right now, the major predicament I am facing is to locate a suitable place to have the venue. The use of my garage is out considering the growing size of the classes. Right now, there are almost 20 people on the list and growing.

The main focus of this class is to show and demonstrate to the attendees how a DIY’er like me was able to perform engine rebuilds successfully using regular tools and techniques. In no way or manner I am professing to be an expert in engine rebuilding. My sole intention is to share and demonstrate my limited work experiences with fellow DIY’ers.

BTW, I will be celebrating my 75th birthday in 2 weeks and wish to give something back to this community while I am strong and healthy. Wish me luck. Thanks.

Tony