Absolutely, what goes around comes around. I get that.

If I were to show you every mock up that we did and claim the 'Holy Grail' you'd soon get bored of me too! Maybe I should post more pics of cardboard? :)

You're absolutely right. Mr. Kellogg does tend toward hyperbole a bit. You have developed and refined an incredible system. I can understand your low tolerance of someone else's undeveloped ideas.
Please keep up the great work. Actually both of you.
Thanks,
Dave

Paint your cardboard a cool color so you don't get accused of copying!
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There is no reason to paint the cardboard, it is perfect for its intended purpose!

Its purpose
1. Proves this Dual PFC fits nicely inside the 911 driver side rear wheel well, shows where it can be mounted, shows there is adequate air flow clearances, 2. hides proprietary information to keep prying eyes for those who wish to steal the design and re-manufacture copying it for their own purposes.

3. I posted a picture of 2 of the real PFC's I just completed less hose fittings, and their surface area , each Proves by its existence to have the have the needed surface area to cool the whole 911 A/C system; because their condensation surface area meets or exceeds that of a brand new 2018 Porsche 911 OEM A/C system


4. I developed this Dual Fender Well PFC for an inexpensive alternate for 930s and Pre - 1970 911s who needed this alternate because they don't have room in their deck lid, or don't want to modify their Pre-1970 911 or 912 body pan to install my front PFC.

My normal 911 matched set PFC's are all designed and have been proven in multiple 911 installations, for consistently getting A/C vent temps in 30s F @ 95 degree ambient in all driving conditions and High Humidities.

This new Dual Fender Well is untested, but should extremely Lower A/C bent temps if used in conjunction with any older technology condensers.

Whether it will or will not run the whole 911 Systems really does not matter to much to me if it doesn't.

However it is new technology PFC and has perfect PFC matched surface area equal to or greater then 2018 911, it does have enough condenser condensation potential to do so.

OPEN YOUR MIND Think About IF IT DOES?

Don't forget the Chinese made, standard dimension PF condensers, which can be bought anywhere for about $65, which he's been hawking now for the last 2 years.

Oh, wait, this is NEW! He took TWO standard sized Chinese PF condensers, put on one the other, and is claiming that he then (a) connected them and (b) will get TWICE the cooling effect now!

Despite the fact that they don't appear to be connected, nor will blowing the heat from one super hot condenser onto another super hot condenser double the cooling capability...

I can tell you that he actually is making these from some proprietary size, which means that he contacted the Chinese PFC factory and got them to make a specific dimension. I know this because the smallest standard size PFC (12x14 inches) does *not quite* fit in the rear quarter panel. His must be an inch or so smaller in one dimension. Or, maybe he's having someone cut the fittings off and put some very low profile fittings on.


Either that, of they ARE standard sized and he hasn't ever really put one in a car and driven it afterwards...

IF YOU WANT TO BE AN APPROVED USA TESTER LET ME KNOW
but it's not for free

Pazuzu-Mike Bradshaw

Stop Harassing Me and Stop Telling BS LIES ABOUT ME!!!!!!!!!!

YOU Have been Slandering me and STOCKING me for years

Oh, so I was lying saying that you must have convinced a manufacturer to slightly change one dimension to get that thing to fit? That must mean that you did NOT convince a manufacturer to slight change one dimension to get that thing to fit, which means you are using the standard (and readily available) 12x14 PFC, which does NOT fit. I know, I have one in my garage, and I have tried.

Also, I still do not see any plumbing connecting the outlet of one of those condenser to the inlet of the second one. I just see two standard PF condensers sitting on top of each other, bending the hell out of the fins.

Remember, I *did* design and build a working custom dual fender A/C system, and I *did* show everyone the pieces and parts, and admitted freely and openly that my design is an amalgamation of several other people's (better people) designs and effort over the years, and I did not try to scam, profit or in any other way hide the information.

Oh man - the comedy!

ebay CHEAP China PFC CRAP put together with tie-wraps and radiator hose clamps and cheap China blower AND THE shroud is not even sealed properly what AN EXTREMELY bad joke!

AND YOU WANT TO RIP UP A 911 TO PUT YOUR $3,000 CRAP abortion IN LoL

Go back to school never touch a 911 A/C SYSTEM!

Maybe someone will invent working perpetual motion A/C in the FAR future but IT will not be YOU!

BUT your system is a complete abortion; I have read all your literature, everything about it is nothing more than a pipedream that will end in AN A/C ENGINEERING FAILURE!

MY 911 Custom made matched set PFC's continuously put out 30s degree F @ 95 degree's ambient in all driving conditions including humidity, cost under $900 and weigh less than 6.5 LBS.

I dare anyone in the world to match that!

This new DUEL FENDER WELL PFC might by itself, shown above or might not?

Reid, post number 30 is very funny, and actually deserving since Jonny lobbed the first volley, but holy ****, are you trying to best our current president in the self-back-patting department?!

This new DUEL FENDER WELL PFC will be much less than my front and rear match set PFC's

Its almost finished, as you can see !

If any any one in the USA wants to be an approved tester send me a private message

What's going on here? Is it an insider thing?

KeloGes has been posting and boasting about his a/c inventions for years, and talking all manner of feces about tried and true products already available; he then wonders, with great consternation, why he takes so much heat from other members.

I did this quite some time ago...

Modified an existing condenser to fit. I also have a larger one in front of the left rear wheel.


Seems to work really nicely. Or dare I say......Revolutionary :D

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I don't know why the pictures are rotated 90 degrees....

nocarrier nice job

It probably would have worked a little better (more efficent) if you had sealed a fan shroud over the pfc

You didn't state the ambient temp when you took your 29 degree vent temp readings

Also you could have used #6 for both inlet/outlet fittings and it would have worked just as well believe it or not

A VOV orfice valve is far better than a TXV VALVE and yelds about 12 degree's colder evaporator temps!
and with a orifice vale you must add a small receiver tank to keep liquid from entering the compressor; its also much better for Idling and stop and go traffic than a TXV valve FYI

Thanks.

This was my first attempt at modifying a condenser. Next time i'd like to try and incorporate a nicer shroud and fan mount design. I've already started designing a condenser in auto cad.

I don't remember the exact temp.

But if you can imagine, Summer in South Florida. It was that hot. :)

I've got an adjustable evap temp switch and if set too low I can literally turn it into a block of ice at full fan speed during our hottest days.

[QUOTE=nocarrier;9887238]Thanks.

This was my first attempt at modifying a condenser. Next time i'd like to try and incorporate a nicer shroud and fan mount design. I've already started designing a condenser in auto cad.

I don't remember the exact temp.

But if you can imagine, Summer in South Florida. It was that hot. :)

I've got an adjustable evap temp switch and if set too low I can literally turn it into a block of ice at full fan speed during our hottest days.[/QUOT

ARE you in south Florida ?

I live in Ft. Lauderdale