Could This PFC BE The Holy Grail For Early Model 911 A/C System

[KelogGes]

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The PFC's in the Picture are 2 new 911 A/C SYSTEM prototypes For a wheel Well condenser I made

Each has more than enough CONDENSER SURFACE AREA TO FULLY COOL an early model 911

Think about this

One dual PFC TO COOL THE WHOLE CAR A/C

[sc_rufctr]

How big are they?

[KelogGes]

I am now working on making a blower shroud that will fully encompass both PFC's and hose fittings and completion then marketing here on Pelican Parts

The completed assembly including a high CFM blower will fit in an early model 911 Wheel Well

I have not decided yet if I will provide the blower or give a choice to let you provide it; as I am still developing the shroud

[KelogGes]

This tread is posted with permission from Sales @ Pelican Parts
Moderators will be watching this tread!

[pksystems]

Like all your other threads that are identical, nope.

[KelogGes]

FACT The early model 911 NEVER HAD ENOUGH CONDENSER SURFACE AREA in the body to make cold, this was the problem why it never achieved normal 54 degrees A/C cooling @ 95 degrees ambient. With Tube and Fin technology in the 60s - 80s.

Now in 2018 A/C state of the art PFC technology has really taken off to make extremely efficient condenser heat exchangers and A/C systems; what could not be done earlier in time now is possible

FACT These new Dual PFC heat exchanger prototypes meet or exceed todays current Porcshe 911 PFC's SURFACE AREA!

[ossiblue]

My interest is purely academic but I would like to see pictures of the step-by-step installation, the completed installation, and evidence of AC vent temperatures before deciding if this is a solution.

I guess you are excited about your development, as you should be, but posting a pic of a PFC without dimensions or a diagram/pictures of the shroud/ducting/blower, leaves too many unanswered questions to breach the gap between theoretical and practical and, therefore, answer your initial question.

[KelogGes]

The Prototype's Have not been tested yet, I am not giving any public dimensions to anyone unless they sign a Notarized Legal Binding Nondisclosure Form and they are an Approved Tester or Purchaser End User @ Pelican Parts.

However tomorrow I will post pictures of a mock up that contains the dimensions & proves it will fit inside the 911 WheelWell including the Duel PFC's, Shroud and a 1000 or so CFM Blower; Note: if you look at the prototypes I posted you can see where mounting support brackets can be attached to several bracket attachment bolt holes, etc.

Note the mock-up is actually bigger outside general dimensions than the actual Prototypes i.e. point by point widths, and without any installation brackets

[FstTarga]

make Sure you start a new thread with the pictures and some sick subtle advertising bro.

[billjam]

Looks interesting. Which wheel well are you planning to use?
Left rear? All my other wells are full of other stuff.

[douglas bray]

I come around about once a month and even I can say this is getting old. Every time I scan the first page there is that guy promising his PFC is going to solve all the world's problems.

Try one topic - one thread......not every other week a new thread that is identical to the last. Sorry to be so rude, but man....

[GaryR]

Originally Posted by douglas bray

I come around about once a month and even I can say this is getting old. Every time I scan the first page there is that guy promising his PFC is going to solve all the world's problems.

Try one topic - one thread......not every other week a new thread that is identical to the last. Sorry to be so rude, but man....

^^^^^^^^^^
Yep, and it's been going on for years.

[douglas bray]

Originally Posted by GaryR

^^^^^^^^^^
Yep, and it's been going on for years.

He only posts in his own threads too. LOL.....Maybe I should follow that plan.

[KelogGes]

This is an install dimensions mock-up that proves it will nicely fit the wheel well and shows body clearances with sufficent room for good heat exchange air flow


In theses pictures, you are looking at the drivers side wheel well looking aft toward the back engine deck Lid for a point of reference.


The mock-up dimensions include a 1000 CFM blower, shroud, and the Dual PFC dimensions












THIS PUSHER BLOWER is rated at around 1000 CFM;



The Mock-Up car is a 911 1980 Targa that used to have a Griffiths Fender Whel Well old technology serpentine condenser; you can see the hose fittings for the old condenser

These Pictures should answer a lot of questions

[KelogGes]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

How big are they?

Howdy rufctr,

They are as big or or slighly bigger than a brand new technology 2018 Porsche 911 PFC's and should cool THE WHOLE 911 A/C SYSTEM by them selfs without need for other condensers, THEY HAVE PLENTY OF A/C SURFACE AREA!

They Weigh only a couple of LBS

You can get a good idea of their dimensions from the mock-up pictures I just posted

I have a good friend in Sydney and care about AU.

[Jonny H]

Ever get the feeling someone is copying your homework?



(Except ours is real and not a cardboard box in a fender)

[evan9eleven]

Originally Posted by Jonny H

(Except ours is real and not a cardboard box in a fender)

Funniest line I've read in a while. Jonny, when I get that far I'm going with yours over the carboard version!

[KelogGes]

Originally Posted by billjam

Looks interesting. Which wheel well are you planning to use?
Left rear? All my other wells are full of other stuff.

Howdy Bill,

Drivers side rear


I see your in Perth, don't know your summer temperatures in Perth, but know it gets very hot sometimes there.
temperatures in Sydney on Saturday will top 42°C; WOW that is extremely hot. Does it get that hot in Perth?

[DaveMcKenz]

Hi Jonny H,
I really like your work. You must realize however, that Porsche used the front fender for their condenser starting with the 964. Charlie Griffiths has been using the rear quarter panel location for years as well. There isn't much that doesn't copy something else.
Dave

[Canada Kev]

So you claim you made some uber-fantastic condensers and for a "mock up" you show a cardboard box in a fender well and a screen grab picture of a fan taken from somewhere on the internet?

I don't get it...