Need help identifying what this 912/911 beast is.

[dumpsterdiver]

Hi

I'm new here and have been casually in the market for an early 911, and have lurked in the 911 forums for a while. A friend's father has available this weird 912/911 looking thing. By its VIN, engine, and interior, it is a '67 912, but appears to have had a widebody and whale tail kit added, and also appears to have either a 912E or 911SC front end, all made to look like a 930, I guess.

The owner bought it that way and doesn't know the provenance. From its stance and the engine bay it's obviously been heavily modified, but I'm just trying to get some idea of what may have been done to this. (the interior is in very good original condition; the seat covers hide immaculate seats)

Although I've seen whale tails and sometimes widebody kits, in my travels I've never seen what may be a 911SC front end transplanted onto a 912.

Has anybody ever seen this having been done before to a 912? I've searched these forums and the internet and have never seen anything like this.


Thanks for any comments/help!

[Peter Graham]

Front suspensions can be swapped to later MY's (up to MY89 IIRC) as long as the entire front suspension is changed, no problems (except bigger front brakes are had and may 'upset' the brake bias...).

The world is full of renegades. I accept my position (only the body mods are bolt-on bits of plastic).


Peter

[steve 912e]

looks great is the motor still 912?

[dumpsterdiver]

Ye, the motor is still 912. It appears to have been rebuilt last year. Here's a picture of it. I'm curious to know what you 912'ers have to say about this build - if I were in the market for a 912, I'm having difficulty putting a value on something like this!

Here's a pic of the engine bay. Imagine my shock when I opened the cover for the first time expecting a flat 6!

[Jaems]

The engine compartment is a plumbers nightmare. They obviously wanted something different for the oil cooler. They are also going to get poor performance with that distributor. With the added body parts to make it look like a SC.. I imagine it is a real dog on the road.

As already stated, there is nothing wrong in adding a SC front suspension to the car. It will be cheaper to maintain in the long run.

It is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Also put up with some negative comments, now and then.

[dumpsterdiver]

Thanks.

The most tantalizing part of the car is the fact that the interior is in excellent condition, and the chassis and other non-engine parts of the car are reasonably clean. I didn't start it up, but I do know there are no synchros with the 4 speed. The body work and paint are also very good but the 930 look over 912 makes it an odd duck and have me scratching my head.

[JT912]

That custom fan shroud is very odd looking.
009 distributor? What's the motor number?

[Fixer]

it's pretty common for this to happen to older 911 and 912s.

It does reduce the value dramatically.

I would not offer more than 8 or 9 thousand US for this car.

[matt930s]

Great looking car Peter.

MattR

Originally Posted by Peter Graham

Front suspensions can be swapped to later MY's (up to MY89 IIRC) as long as the entire front suspension is changed, no problems (except bigger front brakes are had and may 'upset' the brake bias...).

The world is full of renegades. I accept my position (only the body mods are bolt-on bits of plastic).


Peter

[matt930s]

OP- that would be a fun car to play around with' under $10k though....

[Jaems]

John that is as 050 distributor.

Put a 350 Chevy in it I have seen several that have had that done.

[JT912]

I don't think this is THAT bad. It could be returned to stock which might make sense if it is the original motor. There is some money to be made by selling all the odd non-stock parts and sourcing original rear fenders. The front is easily cleaned up with bolt-on parts. A big question is how much rust is present?

[Jaems]

John,

Anything can be put back to original. All it takes is money. In this cast, a whole lot of money.

The hood, fenders, front bumper assy. can be bolted on. The rear will need the sheet metal fenders and rear bumper assy. head lights assy and the original tail lights for the 65-68. chrome for the windows and door handle, then a repainting. The engine will need the original dog house, and carb linkage. all the lines for the oil cooler have to be removed and done correctly beside needing a new oil filler can. depending on what the pictures don't show, It is only money.

However, it would be cheaper at this stage to just make a hot rod out of it, with a 350 Chevy.

[dumpsterdiver]

Thanks to everyone for your comments.

JT912: I don't have a good photo with the motor number, unfortunately. I believe it is the original motor, but rebuilt due to cam and #4 piston failure.

As-is, it certainly would be a fun little thing, and would also make a good project car for anyone wanting to put in a 350 or even just restore its original panels. I didn't perform a thorough examination, but there did not appear to be any rust the usual places in the chassis or panels. There's about 72g on the ODO (working), and I believe it's been pretty dormant for the last 8 years.

If I'm being honest with myself its probably too much of a project for me; my original intent and hope for the car was a well-sorted 911 (or even a 912 that looked like a 912).