HELP NEEDED! please, im in need

[PhillysMostWntd]

Razorback - i dont know why, you seem to have 2 cables, i only have one and have always had one. i got a good look though to how mine should look.

i checked the tps as well, it clicks every time i slightly turn it from its staionary position, im led to understand this means its working properly. today im gonna check my vacuum lines over, all of them maybe even remove them and reinstall and retighten them. i have a feeling its the one underneath the intake manifold.

Steiner944 - i have starting fluid on hand already so i will try this method too.

[924Sman]

One cable on the right is for the cruise control.

Did you adjust the cable at the bracket? Loosen the nut and spin the adjuster to remove the slack.

Check inside the AFM for contact on the wiper board. If there are white spots or the groove is worn the idle can be effected.

Dal

[scintaar]

Off on a tangent, have you checked the engine ground? the problem may be a loose ground connection or it could be with the actual spark distribution system.
Do a check on the plug wires to see if they're sparking ok.
It may sound way out, but I had a similar problem when my engine ground loosened up on a previous car... you never know!
It wouldn't explain the slack in the cable though... that could be where the cable clips into the accel pedal... as well as it may be the routing of the cable... THAT had me stumped for hours once...

[Razorback1980]

Does your bracket have a place for two and maybe you have the cable on the wrong part of the bracket? Just grasping for straws here.

[PhillysMostWntd]

Razorback1980 - yes i have 2 slots, it is in the right spot, this is what confuses me, i didnt even touch the cable when things are apart, my car was conspiring against me while i was away from it i guess.

scintaar - havent checked grounds yet but will as im going to change the battery terminals and figured id clean all the grounds while im at it.

924Sman - yes, i loosened the bolt and tightened it all the way, there is still remaining slack. i think i fogot to connect a vacuum hose but then again my mind might be making things up to make the situation more bearable.

thanks everyone for all the ideas/info, if anyone has any more information or ideas PLEASE feel free to share them, it wont hurt me to try.

on another note, you guys know the 'J' shaped vacuum hose that has another opening on the bend? exactly how is this hooked up? i think i might have this messed up.

[Slam]

Check the vacuum line that attaches to the underside of the intake manifold itself, near the back of it, on the "log" part. It's very easy to forget this one when reassembling and it's a big vac leak if you miss it! It can be got to from underneath the car if you've got slinky arms. Mine's an 83 and the 85 intake I have here has it in a slightly different spot but both are out of sight from the top of the motor.

Razorback's car is an auto - 2 cables.

[PhillysMostWntd]

ya the one that connects under neath the manifold near the back sort of? this is where i think i might have missed it.

and in the picture below (i think this is the piece your talking about slam), where do each of these go? this is the vacuum piece located underneath the intake manifold, it sits near the oil fill tube and oil check tube. im pretty sure one end goes into the intake manifold (duh..) but where do the other two go? and which end goes into the intake manifold.

[Slam]

Umm, yeah, that's the one I mean. As far as where it goes? I'm running on memory here so bear with me but I think you've got a limited number of choices anyway - brake booster, crankcase breather, aux air valve. If you can wait till tomorrow I can go out and have a proper look. Chances are somebody here knows exactly though. If you've got it hooked up to everything but the intake then the way it fits should be self-explanatory (love those German engineers!).

Anybody know exactly how this fits? I did mine months ago and forget.

[PhillysMostWntd]

ya i wont be messing with it until noon-ish tomorrow anyways. i think only one side is connected, who knows though i cant remember what i did with that piece. damn.. gonna have to take the intake manifold off again.. its such a pain to get on lined up with the gaskets, any tips on doing this?

[Razorback1980]

My J boot has two vacuum lines connected to it. I missed the first one and mine wouldn't run without holding the throttle open quite a bit. The first one is right on the corner on the underneath side and that's the one I missed. The line just pushes into the hole in the J boot but you can't see it from the top of the motor. The second one is after the bend toward the intake manifold and it goes to the oil separator if I remember correctly. This one has a clamp on it and it is visible from the top of the engine. I'm sure you already did, but check those two. I am out of town on business right now or I would take a bunch more pictures for you to check. I'll do it when I get home if you still need the help.

[924Sman]

One end is to the ISV(larger end) smaller one connects to the steel tube coming from under the AFM(plastic tee) the other to the oil seperator which is under the manifold to the rear of the motor and near the bell housing. Quart sized canister that has a hose connection on the top of the can.

12"long hose with small elbows run from one steel tube on the manifold(horizontal tube) to the tee under the AFM. The other steel tube on the manifold(vertical) is to the other port on the ISV.

Kind of shooting from the hip but this should get you close.

I may have the 12' hose wrong, it may go to the the OS.
Dal

[PhillysMostWntd]

ok so heres a synopsis for everyone, its a long story but please read:

i pulled the manifold and fuel rail again so i could check all the lines, everything was hooked up, after searching for about 30 min and taking a few pictures to post on here i put it back together, i saw that a vacuum line going to the aux. air valve was being pinched between the balance shaft housing and the intake manifold, but despite that fact i decided to start it again, bam started right up, smoked a little as i need a new o2 sensor and an oil change, but it ran, it was idling high (1200-1300) though

put it on a lift, changed the oil and oil filter, put it back down, started it let it run for 5 min, checked for fuel leaks several times. nothing, running good, still a light smoke coming from running terribly rich, im sure my spark plugs arent liking this.

anyways, took it for a quick spin around the parking lot, throttle cable is still loose, i need to push the pedal about 1/3 of the way to the floor to even get a response from the engine. will sort this out after i sort of another problem, what another problem? yes.. here goes:

im on my way home, making my way down the parking lot, still idling high (1200-1300) and im coasting down a hill. then boop.. idle drops to 0, battery light comes on, and i say "ahh ****!", hurry and pull into a empty parking space, let it crank for maybe 10 seconds but no response, since this is what happens when the relay goes out i switched with a relay (came with the car) which i had just re-soldered a week before, crank for maybe 15 seconds, no start.

pop the hood and look for anything disconnected, vacuum lines, fuel injector harness, afm, tps. everything, and nothing was undone. i did notice my cam cover was very hot, i burned myself when my elbow brushed against it, car was only running a total of 10 min before, im suprised it got this hot, also there is a tick, it used to be a slow tick i had, like tick..........tick..........tick
now its more like tick....tick.....tick.....tick, i thought it was probably from not running for 3 months. i have no idea what to do now, my friend was driving right behind me incase something like this happened, so he gave me a ride home, and here i am, trying to find out what the hell is going on.

someone tell me whats wrong, i really dont want my car to be sitting in a parking lot at night all alone, especially when there is a guy who drives a Z28 camaro, and has it in for me big time.

someone please help, i need to get my car home tonite, what do you guys think the problem is? dme relay?? i think that but why wouldnt 2 diff relays work? uhhgg. this is frustrating.

and just so it might help here is a list of what was changed while my car was under the knife:
fuel filter
vacuum lines
rebuilt injectors
cleaned intake manifold and throttle body
new dme temp sensor
cleaned all connectors (afm, tps, etc)
oil change

[pkt1213]

I had a problem, the dying problem, and it was my battery grounding out on the hood. I know my optima is too tall but I wanted to run that battery since I paid so much. Anyways i switched it over to a side post. Haven't had any trouble. I don't know if this helps but won't hurt.

[nynor]

timing belt. take the distributor cap off and verify that it is turning when the engine is cranked.

[PhillysMostWntd]

ok well its too late... i had spit on my window and my gas gauge rose from less then 1/4 tank to 1/4 even, car started and ran extremely rough, flooring it to a gated parking lot only 100 feet away got me going only 1 mph then it sputtered and died 30 feet short of the gate, now it wont start. on top of that it died in a tow zone. so i left a note telling them to contact the office and for the car not to be towed. so.. i guess now i need to know how to drain my fuel tank. im so pissed off right now, revenge will be sought dearly. mark my words. atleast the car started right up, belts checked out ok too nynor, didnt see if they were spinning during cranking but they are there and in 1 piece.

not quite my day.. i think im gonna go to bed i feel sick.

this should be in a sitcom or something, how could things not get worse? ok well my belts could snap, or it could get stolen and.. wait no it couldnt it wont run haha.. sorry trying to cheer myself up. nynor you wanna give me a hand on saturday draining my tank? that is if my car does not get towed, but if it does atleast i know its safe somewhere. i hate v-8 owners.. we have what they will never have, handling.

[nynor]

sorry philly, i am scheduled at work this saturday. what makes you think you need to drain your tank? did i miss something?

[Razorback1980]

His gas tank rose in levels which means someone added something to it. I would suggest that you get a rope and a friends car and pull it gently to safety....if it's a manual transmission. Then deal with it when you have time.

[jwade944]

Razorback - I noticed in your photo that you have a hose connecting the air filter box to the belt covers. Porsche issued a TSB for these cars deleting that hose and putting caps on the airbox and belt cover.

[Razorback1980]

jwade...thanks. I just bought the car not too long ago and I'm currently going through it to put it back to as close to new as possible and I haven't done much with the engine yet. I didn't know about the TSB on that, so that is very helpful information. Do you know why they decided to remove that hose?

[nynor]

Originally posted by Razorback1980
His gas tank rose in levels which means someone added something to it. I would suggest that you get a rope and a friends car and pull it gently to safety....if it's a manual transmission. Then deal with it when you have time.

are we being a little paranoid here? my fuel guage jumps all over the place.