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It does sound silly, but I'm open minded. The English arrested the first guy who produced a Platypus carcass, said it had to be fake because it defied all the laws of nature. I've heard that according to the laws of physics, bees can't fly. But I'm not a "physician" 
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I haven't seen that cat-toast paradox in years. AMAZING!! |
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there's a reason why you THINK it works. but it's not because of the HHO apparatus. not the generation of energy anyway
the reason is: running lean => better gas mileage. a car's ECU/DME/ECM tries to aim for 14.7:1 AF ratio for gasoline stoichiometric burn. It creates least emissions and makes the cat work. 14.7:1 doesn't mean it's most gas economic. if the engine runs at 17.0:1 AF, it means the cylinder temp is hotter and has more NOx emissions, but at the same time it's also getting better fuel economy. so if all that you're doing is leaning out the mixture by introducing a second oxygen source...then yea..it "works". it'd be equiv to having a nitrous bottle hooked up and the solenoid has a minute leak in it and its constantly leaking out just the smallest tiniest amoutn of nitrous in all the time. but it'd be the same thing as just changing the fuel map to run leaner. i have my daily driver cruising at 17:1 AF and i'm getting better gas mileage than factory rated. i'm not making HHO. i'm just using less gas... |
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oh and to properly test gas mileage, you need to do a blind test that involves:
find a gas station that's on the highway out in the boonies. find an exit that at least 50miles away in a direction where there isn't traffic jams. 1) fill up at the gas station to full 2) get on the highway, get to 60mph and hit cruise. do nothing for next 50 miles until you get to that exit 3) get off the exit, turn around and get right back on the highway going back to the gas station 4) get to the gas station and fill up at the same pump you filled up before. 5) note the number of gallons it took to fill up. now turn on yer HHO thing and repeat the test. post up the results. |
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don't forget that you have to do this on a day with no wind, and on a road with no slope
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http://www.ftexploring.com/askdrg/askdrgalapagos.html You can read the link I provided earlier to understand why "HHO" generators can't work. You can read Schumi's post to understand the same thing. You can read Halik's posts to understand the same thing. What it all comes down to is that people want to believe in these things. We like to believe that we're "in" on something that even engineers and physicists don't understand. It makes us feel good. Instead of looking at engineers and saying, "wow, I wish I were as smart as they are", we get to say, "haha, they think they're so smart, but they don't even know about HHO generators". That's appealing on a fundamental psychological level and it helps to keep these asinine beliefs in circulation.
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I was joking with my thermo/fluids Professor today abotu how I was going to start a company after graduation called 2nd Law Busters INC. Maybe I can take on the manufacturing of the 100 MPG carb and the HHO generator. Maybe I can even do cat and buttered toast kits for the home consumer.
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yea butter toast on cat would make moving furniture so much easier. even more than 100mpg carb.
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ditto to the 2nd law, but isn't the HHO more of a catalyst effect that makes the gasoline combust more efficiently instead of a direct energy conversion of electricity to HHO fuel.
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So you guys are saying I should take the four tornado devices out of my webers? And remove the magnets from my fuel lines? Ron Popiel and Billy Mays and Shamwow guy all said they were the bomb.
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HHO only works if your Blinker Fluid is topped off and you have good Mufler Bearings packed in fresh Elbow grease
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