a lot of good info thanks

Just looking for wheel opinions on Plasti Dip
 

Just sprayed Plasti Dip on one side of my 89 911 Fuchs. Just curious what people like more before I do the other side or pull off the plasti dip? Give me your thoughts.

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Would keep the silver and tint the windows.

I am personally stuck on the stock rims.

all blacked out looks good

Just did a launch from 0 to 60 launch which took only 3.82 seconds from a start in second gear. Pretty fast for a stock LS1 and a G50.

I vote for stock. Nice video

Yan... being one who has actually gone through this conversion ('79 911SC) from beginning to end (not LS1 but carburated), I have to tell you that this is not an easy conversion, and the expenses pile on quickly. Be prepared to spend a good deal of money on the project, and even more prepared for the countless little items that you will need to purchase that continue to add up into seemingly infinatum.

I am as we speak having to remove the motor for the fourth time, and I'm putting a much more mild 350 into it, as the fire-breather (500 HP) was just too prone to overheating, and was incredibly unreliable. So much, that I seriously considered going back to the basics and yanking this thing out and putting the original 3.0 liter back in. It's been a lot of fun when it actually ran well, and the issues were sorted, but I never felt comfortable driving the car further than 50 miles from home. The power this car possessed is indescribable, but it's no good if you're constantly looking at the temp guage. These conversions are very prone to overheating [and many are hack jobs] so you've got to have the right engine and more importantly, a well-designed cooling system. I purchased everything from renegade to do this conversion (including radiator, and water pump), followed their instructions (which you can print out when you buy the kit) closely, and STILL had overheating issues. I believe that most of those issues stem from the motor, as I do not believe that it was rebuilt correctly. I'm hoping a more mild motor will change all that. Even with a relatively mild 350, you should see similar performance as the 930's of your era.

All my items were purchased from Renegade, including the rebuild of the 915 trans-axle ($4500). Your G50 is even stronger than my 915 (neither as strong as the 4-speed 930 trans), but if your trans-axle is tired, expect it to wear out more quickly than it ever would with the 3.2 liter. Remember, it's the low RPM torque that these 350's generate are what really put a strain on the stock Porsche trans-axles. I would recommend checking out Renegade's site for more information. Again, this is just not a conversion for the feint of heart.

If I could do it again, I probably would have stuck to the stock set up and turbo-charged the motor, but the entire process/project was a great learning experience, laced with frustration.

I can provide pics of the car in different stages, if you would like...

Yellowbird, would love to see some photos! My build is almost 3 years old. My first engine had problems - it was used - As I mentioned in a previous post I would only buy a new motor. It seems that too many people had issues with their used LS1 or LS based motors. This second motor was a new long block LS1 from a GM dealer. $3K for new. Why I ever bought used I have no idea. This motor has been running without any issues and I would drive it across country without any thought. The G50 is strong and I see no future issues. I bought my kit from Renegade and they were incredible help. The cooling is the issue that everyone thinks about. I decided not to hack up my car and put in a rear radiator with some help from toyjet. Some of that help happened after I installed the radiator. I have a single pass radiator from Ron Davis. I ordered a new duel pass radiator (actually ordered a triple pass buy they could not build it) more then a year ago. They can be very slow. I have a double pass radiator coming soon... My cooling was only an issue when the temp outside was in the 90's and very humid. I never overheated but didn't like seeing the temp rise to about 225. The double pass should lower the temp by 20 percent. We shall see but any cooling will only help. The cost to build was not too bad compared to having to rebuild my 3.2 If I break down in the future - anyone service shop can help out. As I mentioned in my previous - the power one receives from a stock ls1 is pretty impressive. If I had a 915 Tranny I would probably not do a launch but the G50 is different - I believe pretty close to the 930 tranny but not quite sure about that. Lets see some pics!

Yan

radiator
 

hey guys i live in CA and i had the same problems
now i use a triple pass radiator i made by just cutting two slices in my radiator tanks evenly spaced and placing thin plates in the cuts sealing with aluminum radiator repair kit. takes 1 hour or less and 2-2500cfm fans sucking air from bottom.
i run a 355 with 360 hp 400 fpt and 175 thermostat and it never over heats, in fact the faster i go the cooler it gets.....on a hot day 95+ at idle for 20 min it gets to 182
before i put the thermostat in it would not even get warm, also make sure all bends are not being sucked closed by water pump by placing hose clamps on the part of hose. i guarantee it will make a big difference i almost gave up until i discovered this cure my self. i drive this car every day no problems would take it anywhere.

Crankshaft bearing failure on your LS1 engine? Aww, That's so sad. Maybe if you wouldn't have put mass produced trash into a precision built machine, you wouldn't be spending that money twice for another junky wear prone engine. The crankshaft bearings on my 1970 2.2 liter 911 T seem to still be in great shape. They're over 40 years old and in an air cooled engine. Ha ha ha Please don't even go there on the overheating issue being an excuse. Porsche engines are air cooled and yet they don't seem to have a problem with overheating. So save us the B.S. I'm still skeptical on weight savings as well. These Chevy fans can claim whatever they want, but that doesn't make it true. If any of these cut and shut truck mechanics were Porsche mechanics they wouldn't be so scared to rebuild a simple Porsche 911 engine themselves and add on some nasty horsepower bits.

yeah, porsche engines never break. And besides why spend $10k on a 500hp motor when you can spend $40k on a 300hp motor. you hybrid guys are stupid

i think that my feelings are hurt??? such hurtful comments are just so uncalled for....

The only people who spend $40,000 on a Porsche engine don't know how to do the work themselves. You're right, overhead cam 6 cylinder VW derived engines are too complex for the average Chevy mechanic to rebuild. :rolleyes: Don't pull that 500HP B.S. either. I assure you there are 1980's 930's with 600+ HP. The difference is that they will run 600HP all day and night without bearing failure. I'll pee on your Corvette engine if it overheats. That should fix it. :D
Oh, and don't you mean $20K on two 500HP engines since you are now doing it all over again?

Really? 600hp stock 930 engines can run non stop without failure? Wow all these dumb Porsche guys spending $50k on a rebuild must be Chevy guys at heart. Man they are dumb

you need to take a ride
 

i think you need to take a ride in my car....
i was invited to join pca Fresno Porsche club and i have a 355 Chevy motor, the fellows there where skeptical as well until i let them sit in it my car, then they voted to have me as a member, the look on their faces as they put their foot gas was worth a million bucks, the roar of horsepower is addictive..... at $3500 a pop. check out summit racing it's in black and white, besides what is the fun about having something everybody else can buy when you can build something different.
this is if you have the balls to try something out of the box....

i think 928 suck, what a pile of ****

That shows how smart you are. The Weissach axle in the 928 was later adapted to the 993 (911) because the 928 handled better than the 911. There are many Youtube videos of 928 race cars outrunning everything from Corvettes to 911RSR's.
Not to mention Chevrolet stole the rear transaxle layout from the 928. It's the only reason those heaps have been competitive lately. It's funny that you guys convert 911's for their handling. lol
Also, the Porsche 928 was the top of the line at Porsche, the most expensive car you could buy from Porsche (shy of the 930 which was a special order), and also the fastest car you could buy from Porsche. The 928S4 was faster than the 911 Turbo. I guess that shows who is dumb here.
The problem here is that you guys aren't Porsche mechanics, nor do you belong in Porsche clubs. What you need to do is leave the 911's to the real mechanics and go modify Corvettes. That's just my opinion. Opinions are like *********s. Everybody has one.
I don't care what Porsche club you weasled your way into. You don't belong there with your trashy LS1 engined car.
For the record Porsche is statistically the most winning endurance racing car manufacturer in history. When Chevrolet has over 28,000 endurance racing wins, come talk to me. Nascar doesn't count. Cars that are built to run together have no relevance to endurance racing wins. The End...

There's a local 1980's twin spark Porsche 930 Turbo with over 600HP. The front end bows up when you hit the gas and you dare not mash the throttle for fear of flipping the car. I'll stick to Porsches for my speed addiction. There's nothing a Chevrolet engine can do that a Porsche engine can't do better. :p I never said anything about "stock 930 engines". You guys are talking about "building" cars and horsepower, yet you're scared women when it comes to rebuilding Porsche engines or building more horsepower into them. That's the fun in building Porsche engines. You guys are just making Porsches boring with trashy mass produced gas guzzling engines. All because you are too lazy, unskilled, and cheap to build a fire breathing Porsche engine. It's stupid and I think you guys look ridicules.

Awful lot of hate in thread, although some kind comments. At the end of the day, if someone wishes to spend $10,000 on their car, or $100,000 on their car, it is their money and their car.

If it makes you happy, if it makes you smile, if it makes you feel good, then it's money well spent... regardless of what others say. I've seen everything from people who have told me that it's a terrible thing to drive my car in the winter and as my daily because it "devalues the car" to people who have said "that is what they are meant to do, be driven" so there is always an awful lot of opinions.

Don't do it because people hate it or love it... do it because it makes you happy.

PacificP, my brother has a 928 in Idaho - It always has issues. Electrical problems plague the car and when it runs it is one slow V8. 911Saucy - I might consider that one! All that being said lets be nice here or don't post on my build. Thanks.

I personally dont have anything against the conversion, I just get tired of seeing the same SBC transplant to 99% of the builds. Just watch overhaulin and every time a new motor is swapped in its a SBC. Its more challenging to extract the same amount of power from the flat six and to me thats the heart of the car. Without it I dont even consider it a Porsche anymore. For what its worth, the fastest Porsche out there is still running a flat six.....



http://forums.pelicanparts.com/911-930-turbo-super-charging-forum/744632-eddie-bello-undisputed-heavy-weight-champ.html

This forum needs a "like" button.:D

There ya go

It always amazes me the HATE people have for anything related to GM. Take the name brands out of the equation and not sure why you would say one is junk over the other. You do realize a lot of the wearable parts are probably sourced from the same MFGs especially if your engine has had a rebuild.

Kind of the like the Honda or Toyota people swearing their alternator or starter is so superior when they are the same part.


There is a reason the Chevy LS engine swap is so popular and it isn't because it doesn't work. They are light weight V8 engines as they shave almost 100LBS off the 1st gen version and yes compared to most 6cyl they are give and take 50lbs.


The porsche air cooled 6 is a legendary engine but in the real world of chasing HP anybody who has gone that route will tell you that you better have some serious pockets to develop the parts needed to compare with a stock LS7. I guess it can be done but also remember how drivable will it be? I also agree with the reliability issue as it will be made up of aftermarket parts that YOU will be testing compatibility and dependability so that $50k rebuild can turn into a $75k real quick.

The GM LS engines is also one of the best designed engines out there. For the simplicity of the engine what other engine with the same displacement naturally aspirated comes close HP to dollar to as a LS7. Let's not forget you can order it from a dealership with GM tested parts.

There is the crowd that just loves telling everyone how much they paid to have their car worked on and will never get the idea of wanting similar HP at 1/4 the cost. GM LS engines are far from junk. Where in the world are you getting your info. So the Vettes are not spanking everybody out their??

Come on build what you want and stop the 5year old nonsense. If you can appreciate a 500HP car it shouldn't matter what is under the hood. Yeah all GM engines are junk and it is a goverment conspiracy regarding the weight and HP numbers. Are you serious?? Sadly I believe you are. Let me guess a Porsche lic plate surround on your Pathfinder? Harley sticker in the back window?

Come on!

924CarreraGTP - You sure like talking.

While I'm greatly entertained by what transpired, let's not digress too much from the build. It would be crappy if this thread got locked.

As a person who appreciates performance, no matter what brand or pieces make up the package, I really like the car.

:D


More power to you(seriously, you'll have more power)!.. It takes a special kind of person to put up with all of the douchery v8 swaps attract. I'm not so certain about v8 to 911 but...whatever floats your boat. You get used to the @$$holes.

Congratulations on becoming one of the souless ripping hearts of out superior Porsche engineering. :D

I just want to add that OpenThrottle's "Michael Jackson" popcorn video had me crying with laughter, tears flowing like Niagra Falls! It just fit at the right moment. Thank you and thanks to "George" and his popcorn. I like my 89 911. It is a porsche with a really nice G50. I have not cut a thing on it. I added a 930 tail and cut that but I still have my original. I drove the 911 for quite a few years before the change. I personally would never put a 3.2 back into this car but those engines are incredible. They are good - in fact, they are amazing. I just happen to enjoy my build more. I also enjoy talking to people with Porche cars and I must admit when they look at my car they seem to go in a daze at how well everything fits and works. Be careful on whom you let ride in your car. They may become pro GM at times - in the right conditions. My first car was a VW bus, two Scirrocos, couple Jettas and then some American Cars. We don't get everything right all of the time as Americans but some people got the LS1 -7's right. No doubt. It fits nicely in my 911. Sounds good too. I might not be a mechanic like the "hater/sex offender dude" but I got no issues - except perhaps a V8 in my 911. How do you like them apples? Enough said... Lets see your best LS or SBC car photo now!

heres mine!http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1366384456.jpg
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Larry, don't forget - if you ever sell - Best build I have seen so far! Wish that 930 was mine!
Have you ever timed a 0-60 launch or 1/4 on your car? Just currious on the times? I know it handles like a 930 but with that power I was wondering how scary fast it is? My 0 to 60 is 3.82 using the G-Tech Device - Fanatic. I am going to try one of the Iphone GPS timers to see how close the G-Tech is. My understanding is that it is on the money. Anyone else have a G-Tech or different timer with a conversion? I know that Clemmon over at Toy-Jet has that supercharged 911 with an LS1 and it reaches the 1/4 in well under 12 - probably under 11 seconds but not quite sure - he will have to chime in!

they are both quick in their own right. the gulf blue longhood has an all aluminum dart 434 cubic inch SBC solid roller motor with massflo efi and makes close to 600 chp. S4 front brakes and 930 turbo rears with big bars, adj sways etc. it has a shortbell 930 trans with aluminum trailing arms, rs rear flares, etc. it weighs in at about 2200 pounds which is about a hundred pounds lighter than the 930.

Just a safty issue here - It never hurts to be aware - in case anyone ever attends the German bla bla bla auto club car show in Hot Springs Arkansas - just be aware of the following:

mugshots.com

it gives some more important details. Thanks to one of my readers for pointing this out! Keep our kids safe!

And he really has to have a tattoo of a Triumph after all that?

Scars / Marks / Tattoos:
•Tattoo on R_arm (Triumph)

Larry, come on now - how fast?

Here is another video link of my 89... Fooling around with Corel VideoStudio Pro X6

89 Porsche 911 Carrera with an LS1 - YouTube

Yan- Did you start off in 2nd to get better traction or to avoid the 1-2 shift? Looks very quick

drmatera,

I did it to avoid the 1-2 shift. If I start in 1st it is almost an instant shift. I will work on my shifting to see if I can get the times quicker from starting in first but starting in second seems to always be quicker. It must be human error.

with that torque so low I guess you don't need first. With a turbo the wait is just too long.

sounds like a ring/pinion change is in order. Or maybe put taller 1st and 2nd gears in there. I don't know the gear spacing on a G50 but it does sound like you need to set it up based on the new engine combo. Would make it much faster as well....

Which direction is better drmatera? I know taller gears gets expensive real fast. I would certainly need a nice and tall 5th gear for some long and straight track runs along with 1st and 2nd gear for those 0 to 60's. Any recommendations? It is almost like the entire gear set needs changing. Obviously the gears work effortlessly, especially for just street driving. The tranny has no issues at all. The stiffer torsion bars made a huge difference. The car is running so well. I was never able to get a triple pass radiator from Ron Davis. Their dual pass has been on order for more then a year for me. I have a change coming to the rear soon...