Why is the SC the ONLY aircooled model to see a 5% value drop since October

[matt930s]

https://youtu.be/eksaGYygLsw

[juanbenae]

Originally Posted by dwelle

guys, get a room.

sheesh...

always feel honored when MC Markie Marc checks in! hope you are well my man.

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by matt930s

https://youtu.be/eksaGYygLsw

Awesome.

[1979-930]

I had to see what happened when this thread went to page 5. Sugar checked in... WOW.
Who knew Ol' Sugar could stir the pot that well with one line.
With the help of the Bernie-Matt show anyway.

[dwelle]

Originally Posted by juanbenae

always feel honored when MC Markie Marc checks in! hope you are well my man.

kickin' it, tobs. kickin' it...

[MadeofOak]

Originally Posted by Nick Triesch

No matter what anyone says the 3.2 has incredibly reliable motronic engine management, bigger brakes , quicker 0-60 , higher top speed , lower seats , bigger engine, more power and lined cylinder s for longer bottom end life. The 3.2 is almost a completely new motor compared to the SC. My Carrera lasted 160,000 miles before top end and bottom end was perfect.

X2!

3.2 are the last, best 911s before they started 'improving' them.

[Nick Triesch]

I have had two seasoned Porsche mechanics tell me the 3.2 is the best of the era. I did my homework before I bought my 85. Why would you not choose motronic? Takes care of the motor with no fuss. Motronic controls everything and is super reliable . What I wrote up above is all true.

[Arcadia]

Originally Posted by Nick Triesch

I have had two seasoned Porsche mechanics tell me the 3.2 is the best of the era. I did my homework before I bought my 85. Why would you not choose motronic? Takes care of the motor with no fuss. Motronic controls everything and is super reliable . What I wrote up above is all true.

You know what? "I did my homework" also, over the last 15 years, owning both a 964 and 993. Boasting about antiquated upgrades like the MFI, increased HP (LOL!!), and better brakes on a 30-40 year old 911 is just laughable. Who gives a rats at this point in time. Talking about the improved "reliability" on the successive air-cooled models is futile. It's 2023, and there's not an air-cooled model out there that hasn't required extensive sorting and maintenance to date. Those upgrades mean nothing and certainly don't equate to a better driving experience in 2023. I've owned a 964 and 993. Both are considered far more evolved than the 3.2 and SC. That may well be, but I far more prefer the driving experience of my SC to both. So, you're not going to convince me that your 3.2 is a more pleasurable 911 to drive just because you did your due diligence and followed the opinions of "seasoned Porsche mechanics" who told you that the 3.2 is the "best" of the era for its NOW dated and obsolete components.

[matt930s]

Actually the 2.7 was the best…..

[juanbenae]

i drove a couple 3.2 after selling my spec car and they felt heavy like pig. my SC even before huge changes during the racecar built never felt so lumbering.

[matt930s]

2.4 was the best….

[touringmandan]

A 2.4E coupe with MFI is my sweet spot. No S/R, please.

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by Arcadia

You know what? "I did my homework" also, over the last 15 years, owning both a 964 and 993. Boasting about antiquated upgrades like the MFI, increased HP (LOL!!), and better brakes on a 30-40 year old 911 is just laughable. Who gives a rats at this point in time. Talking about the improved "reliability" on the successive air-cooled models is futile. It's 2023, and there's not an air-cooled model out there that hasn't required extensive sorting and maintenance to date. Those upgrades mean nothing and certainly don't equate to a better driving experience in 2023. I've owned a 964 and 993. Both are considered far more evolved than the 3.2 and SC. That may well be, but I far more prefer the driving experience of my SC to both. So, you're not going to convince me that your 3.2 is a more pleasurable 911 to drive just because you did your due diligence and followed the opinions of "seasoned Porsche mechanics" who told you that the 3.2 is the "best" of the era for its NOW dated and obsolete components.

Well said.

[NYNick]

Besides, bigger is ALWAYS better...not.

[matt930s]

2.2 E is the best.

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by matt930s

2.2 E is the best.

The 2.2E powered 75 911s targa I owned a few years back was the most fun to drive of all the air cooleds I have owned.

[matt930s]

Yeah, I have that engine too w/webers...

[NYNick]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

The 2.2E powered 75 911s targa I owned a few years back was the most fun to drive of all the air cooleds I have owned.

I just had this type of conversation with another buddy of mine and it's especially relevant to Porsches.

Some of the most fun cars I've ever owned have had smaller engines. The bigger is better smokescreen blinds people from the fun factor. Just look at what monsters are selling as sports cars today. Over powered, overly capable, highly engineered vehicles that are literally impossible to exercise on the street.

Give me a hot short stroke or 16 valve 4 banger to wring out any day.

[Marine Blue]

Looking specifically at the auto industry from an engineering perspective it does follow an engagement/capability curve. As a new generation is introduced you lose a level of involvement to the latest technology. In the early days some of this “involvement” wasn’t exactly welcome like the manual crank cars vs an electric starter. Other technology can be debated like power steering. Personally I’m in an age bracket that appreciates a properly set up power steering. The level of involvement you’re willing to give up is often dictated by what you have been exposed to growing up.

My personal curve places the peak of the performance and driver involvement around 2010. Cars introduced after that take away some of that driver input/feedback in favor of electronics that can function faster than our brains.

It’s an interesting topic, not sure how it relates to the SC market though.

[touringmandan]

I find that I enjoy driving an older, lower HP car or bike closer to it's limits, rather than drive a high tech "nannied" car, whose limits are way beyond most driver once the "nannies" are de-activated.
My favorite bike is my '65 BMW R50/2. Cable drum brakes, F&R, and an Earles fork. 70 mph in a sweeping corner takes skill and gets the adrenaline flowing.