$$Going once going twice$$

[cegerer]

Kenik - is that off of your 69 or what? Most early car plates I've seen have the 4 rows of boxes??? The 4th row including the Gross Vehicle Weight (I think) of 2000 in one box and the long blank box on the right side.

[70SATMan]

Curt, here is my 70S plate.

[cegerer]

Looks like maybe starting in 1971 the plate changed to include GVW. My '71 has the 4-row plate.

[real550A]

My '72 has the four rows with the blank box at bottom right. One would think an early '73 might be similar.



The '66 had the three rows like the ebay car.

[DC_Targa]

Anyone look at the wheel pic on ebay and see a rusty disc? Does that look odd or did he take the pic before he claimed to have tracked the car recently? Also, the original date and content of the post on that other forum, by TRE cup would seem to indicate this guy bought a car that had been inspected in Germany and determined to be a ........

fun reading,

Dennis

[pwd72s]

Originally posted by TRE Cup
So- while we are waiting for GOAT (tim) to check out the car this evening, how about a lil open end discussion on what makes up a real car?

I will use Cobras for sake of discussion, that way there is no insinuation towards any present or past pelican members cars.

What constitutes a real car?
example- a cobra got really wrecked during its racing career- i mean twisted and bent so it was a total write off. Then it sat in a canadian junk yard to rust away. Some sharp eyed friend of a friend and presto, a car buff goes to see it. He takes the pragmatic approach looking at this literal pile of garbage . Decided to buy a small part of the frame, the paperwork from the yard, and the i.d. tags. He goes to england and has an exact new copy made by the original AC works that constructed them for Shelby (and themselves under Cobra of Britain- COX serial #s for you cobra buffs)
So,- is this car considered the real deal- as a rebuilt or remanufactured?

lets hear your oppinions on the subject before i tell you the conclusion to the story (yeah i know most has been given away already)

I think then it goes to intent and possibly motive to deceive. My example, NOT hypothetical, is a 1972 911 car here in the pacific northwest. It had the"S" on the engine lid, it had the sports seats, it was impeccably detailed, it had a well built by a respected builder 2.7. I and a buddy first saw this car in 1998...I crawled all over this silver beauty. Doing that, there were enough things different from my car that I peeked at the VIN tag in the windshield, looked at the car's owner and said: "You have a beautiful 911T" He then responded that he wanted an S, but they were hard to find and expensive. D-OH! The story doesn't end here. This so-called "S" suddenly began appearing with "S" VIN tags...trunk and windshield. It's owner saying it's an S. He did all this for ego reasons. I later blew the whistle, at a cost to myself.
Because of those who defended this guy, despite seeing hard evidence of the truth, I'm no longer a member of R GRuppe, and I have no plans to renew my S registry dues. But now I hear thru the grapevine that this car has gone back to 911T I.D. tags... So, because he never sold the car, should this person still be considered an "expert", with fat cats lining up to pay him to find them a "cool car"?
Evidently so, because this early 911 Bhagwan still seems to have a following of the faithful. Hell, he'll have one of his cars featured in EXCELLENCE soon. Is it any wonder I'm getting "burnt out" on the early 911 thing? "My what a brave new world, with such wonderous creatures in it."

[randywebb]

* Bhagwan -- For the non-Oregonians out there, Paul's very clever reference is not to just anybody with that Indian name, but to Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh, a guy who turned a small desert town in Oregon into a large "spiritual encampment" with seekers from mostly California. There is an amazing list of offenses by his followers. He was never convicted of anything, in part b/c he fled the country, leaving behind his fleet of Rolls-Royces and the only recorded case of the use of a biological agent to poison citizens within the US.

There are some documentary movies on this odd event and here is a web site I found:
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/b40.html

_______________________________________

- I agree that intent is important. I am glad to hear that the silver car mentioned is "back" to being a T. FWIW, I turned my 911T into just a 911. I'll never try to sell it as anything other than what it is. In fact, I don't expect to sell it at all - ever. But who knows what I'd do if I was so old I could only drive a turbocharged wheelchair...

[Joeaksa]

I was involved with a DC-3 that the Bagwan owned. A cargo ops I flew with bought three of them. The Bagwans private airplane arrived and we all went forwards to see how it looked.

Where the radar screen normally was there was a nice large photo of the Bagwan... no radar. Our chief pilot explained that he was told that any aircraft the Bagwan flew on was safe due to "his presence" so no one worried about thunderstorms.

Personally we always liked radar in bad weather and bet his cars were about as cobbled up as the old Douglas was when we got it.

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[944pilot]

I recently returned from India, and while I was there I saw Osho, the Bagwan's ashram south of Mumbai. The Bagwan is dead, but his "spirit" lives on.
FWIW, to go the ashram, you have to take an HIV test as you check in. They are all about the "free love" idea there.

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[Nickatnyt]

Originally posted by pwd72s
Because of those who defended this guy, despite seeing hard evidence of the truth, I'm no longer a member of R GRuppe, and I have no plans to renew my S registry dues. Evidently so, because this early 911 Bhagwan still seems to have a following of the faithful. Hell, he'll have one of his cars featured in EXCELLENCE soon. Is it any wonder I'm getting "burnt out" on the early 911 thing? "My what a brave new world, with such wonderous creatures in it."

Precisely why the cars get 100% of my respect from day one while the owners themselves have to earn it. Just because someone likes the same car (or same beer, or same movie) doesn't mean they are good people.

[jester911]

Well I am disappointed. I thought I would wake up this morning and see the proof of this "RS" . You guys are just making us wait on purpose I know.

[Joeaksa]

Originally posted by jester911
Well I am disappointed. I thought I would wake up this morning and see the proof of this "RS" . You guys are just making us wait on purpose I know.

Same here. Must have been an interesting visit with the Doctor if the guys have not reported back yet...

[Huh]

where is the report??? I too woke up and came to this thread immediately....ugh!!!!

[real550A]

Same here. Must have been an interesting visit with the Doctor if the guys have not reported back yet...

Maybe we'd better send a search party to the "evil doktor's"
laboratory!

[nesslar]

I should think the guys are preparing one Helluva post, with all the photos you'd hope for, and an extensive write-up. Could be it'll take time to put it all together.

[berettafan]

Originally posted by Nickatnyt
Precisely why the cars get 100% of my respect from day one while the owners themselves have to earn it. Just because someone likes the same car (or same beer, or same movie) doesn't mean they are good people.

i disagree somewhat; anybody that can quote from Holy Grail is an alright person.

[CBRacerX]

Guys, I just found a great deal on RS Docs, a steering wheel, some early sport seats and even more. So far I am the high bidder at $1

[trader220]

Chris dont laugh at that, there is a well known dealer in Tx that buys stamped service books off of eBay under ebay user names which are different than the one he sells cars under, to place in his cars for sale. I offered to sell him a file folder full of records from a car I sold years ago.

[CBRacerX]

I just find the whole thing odd, of course. Ebay allows you to add images to an auction, but this guy creates an entire new one, then doesn't post any details to find this on the main auction? He may just be deluded about the true nature of the car being sold, but I think there is an attempt to omit details that are germane.

So if I win the auction, I'll be sure to follow up with him