Shortage of workers .

[Jims5543]

Originally Posted by Tervuren

Jim, it has been my observation that raising the wages in the door above standard won't make things better, however identifying who has your interests in their heart and paying them accordingly is also a good thing to do.

Entry hire, entry pay.

If some one wants above entry pay as an entry hire, that is a major red flag that they can't live up to it.

Out of 20 employees I had 1 that fit that description, I almost went bankrupt trying to keep him here during the housing crash years. I held on to him for 2 years then finally had to lay him off.

I paid him VERY well and took very good care of him, because he had my back.

The other 19? They are the reason I will never have a large company again.

[tabs]

Originally Posted by Tervuren

Jim, it has been my observation that raising the wages in the door above standard won't make things better, however identifying who has your interests in their heart and paying them accordingly is also a good thing to do.

Entry hire, entry pay.

If some one wants above entry pay as an entry hire, that is a major red flag that they can't live up to it.

How long before I get my Lambo?

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by tabs

How long before I get my Lambo?

you mean your second one, right?

[rfuerst911sc]

I am so glad I'm retired and don't have to deal with this crap ! A good work ethic is taught , if your parents didn't teach you then shame on them ! The American dream was/is get a job , work your butt off and hopefully be rewarded for your effort . If it didn't work out you took the chance and found another job . It is ALL on you to perform and deliver value to the employer . I am high school educated and over my 45 year working career worked circles around most every college grad I worked with . I started when I was 15 and threw in the towel when I was 60 . I can still remember an episode with my dad when I was sick with a cold and didn't want to go to work . He said " you can be sick at work just as well as at home so get up and go to work " !!! A little extreme but you get the point .

My mom and dad came to the U.S. after WWII from Germany . They worked their butts off to be a positive influence on society , never asked for a hand out. That work effort rubbed off on my brother and myself and we have instilled that work ethic into our children . Kids/young adults ( milennials ) figure EVERYONE owes them just because their father shot a load into their mother .......... sorry not good enough ! No one owes you anything so get over yourself . Look in the mirror that is the person responsible for you no one else . Put down the damn phone and get to work ! And get off my lawn !

[tabs]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

you mean your second one, right?

Naw, I only want one...which goes to show that I don't have an entitlement mindset.

[tabs]

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc

I am so glad I'm retired and don't have to deal with this crap ! A good work ethic is taught , if your parents didn't teach you then shame on them ! The American dream was/is get a job , work your butt off and hopefully be rewarded for your effort . If it didn't work out you took the chance and found another job . It is ALL on you to perform and deliver value to the employer . I am high school educated and over my 45 year working career worked circles around most every college grad I worked with . I started when I was 15 and threw in the towel when I was 60 . I can still remember an episode with my dad when I was sick with a cold and didn't want to go to work . He said " you can be sick at work just as well as at home so get up and go to work " !!! A little extreme but you get the point .

My mom and dad came to the U.S. after WWII from Germany . They worked their butts off to be a positive influence on society , never asked for a hand out. That work effort rubbed off on my brother and myself and we have instilled that work ethic into our children . Kids/young adults ( milennials ) figure EVERYONE owes them just because their father shot a load into their mother .......... sorry not good enough ! No one owes you anything so get over yourself . Look in the mirror that is the person responsible for you no one else . Put down the damn phone and get to work ! And get off my lawn !

Your mindset is reflective of what the American mindset was back then...one that understood what privation and hunger really meant. So ya busted yer azz to see that didn't happen.

Now everybody thinks they can live like a millionaire...

Surprise surprise I went to work sick and sometimes hurt. Even if sumtimes it seems that I play the part of the fool. It is a mistake on your part if you think I am...it proves that you are gullible...a chump.

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by fastfredracing

The guy I deal with at advance, broke 1 million dollars in sales last year, by himself.
He made $37k

And this is why the paradigm no longer works in this country. The deserving are flushed into the undeserving pool and left to work three jobs to be a middle class somebody.

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by tabs

That job isn't worth $16 an hour....you think you have a special talent or sumthin?

Yes, cause cashiers are very important person(s) in the chain. They can make or break an organization through theft or other nefarious activities.

Based on the cost of cars, homes and minimum wage in 1970, then 16 per hour would necessarily be the minimum wage adjusted for inflation. The real problem with the situation is the dollar is worth less than 4% of it;s value from 1913...

[tabs]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

And this is why the paradigm no longer works in this country. The deserving are flushed into the undeserving pool and left to work three jobs to be a middle class somebody.

"Deserves" has got nothing to do with it....before WW2 I would say most people in America were busting their azz (were deserving) and that didn't matter...you still were working poor.

After WW2 the game changed because the stage was set for the American working man to become MC, largely by being located in the same place as the means of production and thus having a monopoly of being the only labour in town...That started to change by the mid to late 60's and it has been all down hill since then...

The demographic of the American MC has been stagnation or decline since 1975. When Americans ran out of cash they resorted to credit to maintain the illusion of being MC. Since 2008....welll you know what I gots to say aboout that.

That said..the amount of your wages reflect you competition for that same job whether it be a foreign worker or technology. Yet Americans have a now ingrained mindset that they deserve $16 ah hour for serving coffee.

Since circumstances have changed for the American working man it is delusional to think that there will be a broad based American MC again (there never was one as large before in all of human history), one upon which the global economy depends upon being it's consumer. Oh well I guess you can't MAGA..

So lets get this straight...you have the typical American mindset of entitlement...now that mindset due to the reality of the situation is becoming more and more delusion-ally dysfunctional.

Do I need to say it...you use credit to take up the slack to maintain the illusion....which has implications for the sustainability of a global economy of scale when the credit runs out.

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by tabs

"Deserves" has got nothing to do with it....before WW2 I would say most people in America were busting their azz (were deserving) and that didn't matter...you still were working poor.
[B]

That said..the amount of your wages reflect you competition for that same job whether it be a foreign worker or technology. Yet Americans have a now ingrained mindset that they deserve $16 ah hour for serving coffee.

So lets get this straight...

Yes, deserves based on the example given, that being they produced a million dollars of gross business. I believe that individual is worth more than the 32k in wages before taxes.

[mgatepi]

You are worth exactly as much as your NEXT job pays you. You may think you are worth more, but if no one is willing to pay you more, you are paid correctly.

How do you change this paradigm? Make more jobs than workers, wages have to go up. Or just keep importing workers, this will keep your wages low.


We had several machinist job openings and we believed there was a shortage of machinists....no there wasn't a shortage, there was a shortage of machinists willing to work for the money we were paying. We raised our rates by $4 per hour and WOW, we have machinists!!!


Basic supply and demand. Simple as this.

[mgatepi]

"The demographic of the American MC has been stagnation or decline since 1975. When Americans ran out of cash they resorted to credit to maintain the illusion of being MC. Since 2008....welll you know what I gots to say aboout that."


This is true to a point, the American MC did something else too....the wives went to work also! No more single income households. Mom and Dad both work to support the MC life style. And now we wonder why we have the societal issues.....no one is raising our kids.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by 1990C4S

Supply and demand would say otherwise. Higher pay brings more people into the workforce.

And for 'individuals' or 'businesses' it's simply a money issue. You want cashiers? Pay $16 per hour, not $11.

Nationally it's different, (without migrants there would/will be a huge problem) but to each business it's simply 'pay'.

Total time I've been unemployed since high school is less than a month, and I figure that working for minimum wage would be better than not working at all.
Maybe my viewpoint on this subject is a bit skewed and not typical.
Sincerely,
Captain obvious.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by mgatepi

"The demographic of the American MC has been stagnation or decline since 1975. When Americans ran out of cash they resorted to credit to maintain the illusion of being MC. Since 2008....welll you know what I gots to say aboout that."


This is true to a point, the American MC did something else too....the wives went to work also! No more single income households. Mom and Dad both work to support the MC life style. And now we wonder why we have the societal issues.....no one is raising our kids.

No doubt in most households both parents work now. It is not just the cost of living, or the wages. We lived in very modest houses, mostly rentals or base housing that was a crappy barracks type house, because we moved often. Dad was a Air Force officer. Not well paid and he often worked 80 hours weeks, never a penny of overtime, never a single Christmas bonus.

The big difference for today, the standard of living. We did not have an air conditioned house until I was in high school. We had one car. We did NOT have cable TV, internet and cell phones that cost 50 to 100 bucks each per month. We almost never ate out. Mom cooked at home. We did not go on cruises, or fancy vacations to Disney world.

The cost of living was way lower, and the standard of living was much lower. We never worried about going hungry, or being homeless. But we did not have designer clothes, and all the frills and electronics of common middle class citizens of today.

We did not have color a TV until 1967. And it was just one set. We had just one phone line and one phone.

[tabs]

Originally Posted by mgatepi

"The demographic of the American MC has been stagnation or decline since 1975. When Americans ran out of cash they resorted to credit to maintain the illusion of being MC. Since 2008....welll you know what I gots to say aboout that."


This is true to a point, the American MC did something else too....the wives went to work also! No more single income households. Mom and Dad both work to support the MC life style. And now we wonder why we have the societal issues.....no one is raising our kids.

First the wives and then when that wasn't enough the credit card...all to maintain the good life of being MC that you can not afford anymore...

Now that you have put the gun to head with terminal debt you have become delusion-ally psychotic...

I guess no more Lambo's for you...

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

No doubt in most households both parents work now. It is not just the cost of living, or the wages. We lived in very modest houses, mostly rentals or base housing that was a crappy barracks type house, because we moved often. Dad was a Air Force officer. Not well paid and he often worked 80 hours weeks, never a penny of overtime, never a single Christmas bonus.

The big difference for today, the standard of living. We did not have an air conditioned house until I was in high school. We had one car. We did NOT have cable TV, internet and cell phones that cost 50 to 100 bucks each per month. We almost never ate out. Mom cooked at home. We did not go on cruises, or fancy vacations to Disney world.

The cost of living was way lower, and the standard of living was much lower. We never worried about going hungry, or being homeless. But we did not have designer clothes, and all the frills and electronics of common middle class citizens of today.

We did not have color a TV until 1967. And it was just one set. We had just one phone line and one phone.

But you know, we were happy in those days, though we were poor.
My Dad used to say to me, 'Money doesn't buy you happiness.'
He was right. I was happier then and I had nothing. We used to live in this tiny old house, with great big holes in the roof ...

(That's a Monty Python reference for you darned kids)

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc

I am so glad I'm retired and don't have to deal with this crap ! A good work ethic is taught , if your parents didn't teach you then shame on them ! The American dream was/is get a job , work your butt off and hopefully be rewarded for your effort . If it didn't work out you took the chance and found another job . It is ALL on you to perform and deliver value to the employer . I am high school educated and over my 45 year working career worked circles around most every college grad I worked with . I started when I was 15 and threw in the towel when I was 60 . I can still remember an episode with my dad when I was sick with a cold and didn't want to go to work . He said " you can be sick at work just as well as at home so get up and go to work " !!! A little extreme but you get the point .

My mom and dad came to the U.S. after WWII from Germany . They worked their butts off to be a positive influence on society , never asked for a hand out. That work effort rubbed off on my brother and myself and we have instilled that work ethic into our children . Kids/young adults ( milennials ) figure EVERYONE owes them just because their father shot a load into their mother .......... sorry not good enough ! No one owes you anything so get over yourself . Look in the mirror that is the person responsible for you no one else . Put down the damn phone and get to work ! And get off my lawn !

^^^^^^ nuff said right there.

[tabs]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

No doubt in most households both parents work now. It is not just the cost of living, or the wages. We lived in very modest houses, mostly rentals or base housing that was a crappy barracks type house, because we moved often. Dad was a Air Force officer. Not well paid and he often worked 80 hours weeks, never a penny of overtime, never a single Christmas bonus.

The big difference for today, the standard of living. We did not have an air conditioned house until I was in high school. We had one car. We did NOT have cable TV, internet and cell phones that cost 50 to 100 bucks each per month. We almost never ate out. Mom cooked at home. We did not go on cruises, or fancy vacations to Disney world.

The cost of living was way lower, and the standard of living was much lower. We never worried about going hungry, or being homeless. But we did not have designer clothes, and all the frills and electronics of common middle class citizens of today.

We did not have color a TV until 1967. And it was just one set. We had just one phone line and one phone.

You had a colour TV....in 67!!!!!WOW.....and a phone?????

My Dad was a highly paid Aero Space engineer and my Mother worked for the AF, we didn't have a phone for years, and I remember listening to the TV as the tube had gone out... It was a 1950 Tele King...

We would eat out occasionally at places like the Sizzler or Wang Yings Chinese ...budget joints...

We mostly drove on vacations, and stayed at the Flea Bag Inn. which later became known as Motel 6. The exception was going to Grandmas house in Detroit then we took the train...


The point here about having a lower standard of living was that it was ON PURPOSE..My Dad had the means for living high on the hog...but didn't because he knew what hard times were...he had grown up and lived them...


I remember when our next door neighbor bought a brand new Buick Wildcat with all the bells and whistles..the kid next door showed me the bells and whistles and when I went home and ouuued and ahhed about it.. my Dad said, "Yeah and they have a payment to make on the car." He was an LA County Sheriff and she was a HS Principle and this was in the mid 60's.

[Tervuren]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

Yes, cause cashiers are very important person(s) in the chain. They can make or break an organization through theft or other nefarious activities.

Based on the cost of cars, homes and minimum wage in 1970, then 16 per hour would necessarily be the minimum wage adjusted for inflation. The real problem with the situation is the dollar is worth less than 4% of it;s value from 1913...

It is my observation when I watch TV/Movies that Cashier was not the entry level job for a retail store. Some where in time the jobs below got rolled in to one job.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc

He said " you can be sick at work just as well as at home so get up and go to work " !!! A little extreme but you get the point .

From an employers point of view, if you came to work sick and risked infecting the rest of the staff you were sent home post haste with a reprimand. Don't bother coming in if you are infectious.