F1: 2019 thread

[astrochex]

Originally Posted by CurtEgerer

It really was better back then. https://youtu.be/auXfAHHNSFo

No traction control, no engine mapping, no DRS. manual shifting, taking hand off the steering wheel, V10. Yea, baby!

In the whole 90/10, 80/20 ratio thing, to which portion is car set-up/engineering allocated to? In other words, is feedback from the driver part of car set-up or driver skill?

[javadog]

Mandate a 3 liter V12 with a common ECU, a manual gearbox with a foot operated clutch, common front and rear wings and outlaw the aero appendages that spoil the cars looks. Allow refueling, let them run whatever tires they want, when they want them and allow changes after qualifying. No limits on fuel consumption. No limits on advertising. No limits on grid girl clothing, if any.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by javadog

Mandate a 3 liter V12 with a common ECU, a manual gearbox with a foot operated clutch, common front and rear wings and outlaw the aero appendages that spoil the cars looks. Allow refueling, let them run whatever tires they want, when they want them and allow changes after qualifying. No limits on fuel consumption. No limits on advertising. No limits on grid girl clothing, if any.

I agree with some of that. But I don’t want to see a spec car that is virtually identical to each other.

[javadog]

I agree. But, a common ECU would keep them from adding traction control and allow the rev limit to be a sensible one, as opposed to chasing stratospheric revs that turn the engines into hand grenades. Mandating wing designs would get rid of the obnoxious, fragile front wings that now ruin the appearance of the cars.

I think you could allow a number of freedoms but keep them from looking like origami art on crack. I'd watch this all day long:




As opposed to this abortion:

[Jims5543]

Originally Posted by CurtEgerer

It really was better back then. https://youtu.be/auXfAHHNSFo

Disagree.

3 cars finished on the lead lap in that race.

P4 finished 1 lap down

P 5 and P6 finished 2 laps down

6 cars finished.

The rest of the 21 car field retired.

[javadog]

^^^ That’s not a typical result...

[Jims5543]

Originally Posted by javadog

^^^ That’s not a typical result...

Seems like it was. Everyone carries on about the good old days, yes they were more raw, I agree 100%. You had to drive the car with manual shifting it was awesome.

But the attrition was remarkable and the dominance of 2-3 teams was there as well. I will argue at least it was 3 teams and not 1 like we have seen for all these Mercedes years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_Formula_One_World_Championship#Race_1:_USA


Race 1 - there were 5 cars on lead lap at end, space between 1 and 3 was over 1 minute. 14 cars finished.

Race 2 - 4 cars on lead lap, space between 1 and 3, 37 seconds. 9 Cars finished.

Race 3 - 5 cars on lead lap - nail biter 6 seconds 1-4 with 5 being 53 seconds back. 12 cars finished.

Race 4 - We covered Monaco.

Race 5 - 1-5 on lead lap covering 15 seconds, another close one except P2 was 10 seconds adrift. P6 on were 2 laps down. Only 13 cars finished.

Race 6 - 7 cars on lead lap 25 seconds to P2. 19 cars finished = improving!!

Race 7 - 6 cars on lead lap. 41 seconds to P4. 15 cars finished.

Race 8 - 5 cars on lead lap. 39 seconds to P2. 13 cars finished.

Race 9 - 6 cars on lead lap. 8 seconds between top 3 (close race) P4 is 45 seconds back. 10 cars finish.

Race 10 - 6 cars on lead lap. P1 wins by 0.288 seconds!! P3 is back 27 seconds. 15 cars finish.

Race 11 - 6 cars again on lead lap. P1 - P2 3.5 seconds P3 is 38 seconds back. 16 cars finish.

Race 12 - 5 cars on lead lap. 7 second from 1-2 and P4 56 seconds back. 13 "finish" more like 11 some completed enough of race to be ranked.

Race 13 - 6 cars on lead lap. Close race 6 second from 1-4. 13-15 cars finished.

Race 14 - 6 on lead lap. P1 to P2 22 seconds. 10 cars finish.

Race 15 - 6 cars on lead lap. P1 and P2 7 seconds apart. P3 is 22 second back. 10 cars finish.

Race 16 - 6 cars on lead lap. 3 seconds from P1 to P2. P3 is 37 seconds back. 13 cars finish, P13 is 7 laps down.

[CurtEgerer]

The attrition was just part of the game. I've been to F1 races of all eras since 1979, and it was way more exciting to watch pre-2000s, no matter the attrition or domination by certain teams. But to each his own!

The cars are now hideous to look at and nobody short of the engineers truly understand what is propelling them down the track at any given moment. And the look-a-like sanitized circuits are a big part of the problem as well. I still follow F1 to some degree, but just as a casual fan these days.

[Deschodt]

What happened Won ? Made an illegal wing ? ;-) Must be frustrating to have the FIA strike one down - I imagine the rules are somewhat open to interpretation and you guys do what the designers tell you to... Was it one of yours ?

[Tervuren]

For me the single biggest difference is the corporate environmental changes.

It is a much bigger problem than just F1.

[Won]

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/142717/mercedes-modified-front-wing-after-fia-request

Can we talk about this instead?

[Captain Ahab Jr]

1000th GP this weekend and my 322nd in F1

Quite proud of this as before I started I really didn't think I was good enough to work in F1

Not sure I'll hit 400 GP's but I'll carry on going while I still enjoy it

[Noah930]

Congrats, Captain!

[herr_oberst]

Originally Posted by Captain Ahab Jr

......322nd in F1

....I really didn't think I was good enough to work in F1

Let this be a lesson in confidence to everyone. You don't know until you try!

Congratulations, Cap'n! Good luck this weekend and all future weekends!

[rfuerst911sc]

Interesting qualifying results .

[DaveE]

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc

Interesting qualifying results .

I zipped through it in about 15 minutes. I’ll probably do the same tomorrow just to see which silver car wins.

[javadog]

It's the Chinese GP. Give it a miss.

[chapo]

IndyCar qualifying 10 times more interesting from Long Beach than F1

[astrochex]

Originally Posted by chapo

IndyCar qualifying 10 times more interesting from Long Beach than F1

F1 qualifying at long beach would also be more interesting than at china.

[Jims5543]

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc

Interesting qualifying results .

Forget to use green text?



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