F1: 2019 thread

[Neilk]

Originally Posted by legion

I honestly think that half of Hamilton's whining is just him trying to bate other team's into risky moves...

Agree 100%. How many races has he won after *****ing about tire strategy? I am sure it is more than he has lost.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by legion

I honestly think that half of Hamilton's whining is just him trying to bate other team's into risky moves...

My thoughts exactly. He loves to whine even when he has THE best car on the circuit.

[stealthn]

What was the penalty to Verstappen for?

[Noah930]

Originally Posted by stealthn

What was the penalty to Verstappen for?

Not slowing for the yellow that resulted from Bottas' crash in Q3.

What a drive by Hamilton. To overcome that first lap incident with Crashtappen, and then to make his tires last about 50 laps--and still win with a margin on Vettel--was very impressive.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by stealthn

What was the penalty to Verstappen for?

It was funny, claiming he did not see the yellow flag. OK, that might be possible, but he sure saw a Mercedes stuck into the wall, and knew it was a yellow flag situation. But he pressed on, even after his timed lap was done.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc

Congratulations to the winner, how he made his tires last 60 laps is amazing .

What were his lap times?
Just another parade.

They need to raise the speed limit on pit lane to 100 kph, (or higher) to make it less of a penalty to pit.
That MIGHT encourage actual racing again.

[Jeff Higgins]

Put a fork in it, F1 is done. And we get to suffer another whole year of this nonsense. They simply cannot race under these current rules, on these tires. We should have seen an epic four way battle for the win - it had better than 20 laps to develop. Instead we see yet another parade to the end, with following cars unable to close the gaps due to contrived aero and tire issues.

[GH85Carrera]

So only Red Bull, Mercedes and Ferrari finished on the same lap, and everyone else was one or even two laps down? Or did Renault manage to stay on the same lap. The rest of the field is just there for filler and someone to pass.

Like most other fans I am real tired of watching economy runs, to save the tires and fuel. I want to see a real race of top speed all the time. The efficiency or economy runs are just silly.

[rfuerst911sc]

Like most of you I was waiting for the epic battle up front to unfold , sadly it never happened . There were many cars at the front and mid pack that would start closing the gap to a car in front of them but then were told by the team to back off due to tire/brake/engine temp's rising to dangerous levels .

That is NOT the Pinnacle of racing in my opinion , man and machine need to be able to be competitive and push when they have the chance . The current F1 car is soooo sensitive to so many things that it can't be raced as was intended .

I really hope that some/most of the rule changes being discussed for 2021 make a real difference to the racing. When I watch sports car racing either in the US or around the world I see real competition and anyone can win . F1 needs to be similar and I know it's not easy to do .

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

So only Red Bull, Mercedes and Ferrari finished on the same lap, and everyone else was one or even two laps down? Or did Renault manage to stay on the same lap. The rest of the field is just there for filler and someone to pass.

Like most other fans I am real tired of watching economy runs, to save the tires and fuel. I want to see a real race of top speed all the time. The efficiency or economy runs are just silly.

LOL F1 has changed from a sprint race to an endurance race.
A really, really short endurance race

[cairns]

He has an indicator on his steering wheel. He didn't miss the flag he ignored it.

[Jims5543]

How many cars did Max bounce off of in this race? I think I counted 6 he was unhinged on the first lap. I honestly thought he was going to take Sir Hamilton out. Then maybe there would be outrage over his driving.

Agree with all above, it is very boring, once in a while a race gets turned sideways and is somewhat interesting. Most all of the races, I DVR and watch X2 and X3.

[cairns]

Every time I really start to like Max he reverts to Crashstappen.

[bkreigsr]

Is it just me, or could Ferrari have had a one-two finish if their pit strategy had mirrored the Mercs? - probably an oversimplification, given LeClerc missed marks and the pit screw up.
But still - how much are those strategists being paid anyhow? Seems the last couple of races, Ferrari has been out-witted and ended up shooting themselves in the foot.

Kudos for network ABC for showing the race without commercials - must have cost them a bundle in lost ad revenue.

Bill K

[Rtrorkt]

not a huge HAM fan, but the guy drove from 3rd to the win with a damaged car that affected aero/handling. https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/50204141 You may not like him, but he needs the credit for his abilities

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by bkreigsr

Is it just me, or could Ferrari have had a one-two finish if their pit strategy had mirrored the Mercs? - probably an oversimplification, given LeClerc missed marks and the pit screw up.
But still - how much are those strategists being paid anyhow? Seems the last couple of races, Ferrari has been out-witted and ended up shooting themselves in the foot.

Kudos for network ABC for showing the race without commercials - must have cost them a bundle in lost ad revenue.

Bill K

Mothers polish pays for the uninterrupted race. So thank Mothers waxes for the no commercials, not the networks.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

LOL F1 has changed from a sprint race to an endurance race.
A really, really short endurance race

Exacatacly.

They need to be able to race at the cars' limits of grip under braking, cornering, and acceleration at every corner on every lap for the entire race. Not at the limits of tires intentionally designed to wear at an artificial rate, not at the limits of the many system's cooling as dictated by following distance, nor at the limits of downforce diminished by clever disruptive aero tricks incorporated into the car in front. Balls to the wall for 70 laps with the only stratergy being "drive as fast as you goddamn can, son".

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

Exacatacly.

They need to be able to race at the cars' limits of grip under braking, cornering, and acceleration at every corner on every lap for the entire race. Not at the limits of tires intentionally designed to wear at an artificial rate, not at the limits of the many system's cooling as dictated by following distance, nor at the limits of downforce diminished by clever disruptive aero tricks incorporated into the car in front. Balls to the wall for 70 laps with the only stratergy being "drive as fast as you goddamn can, son".

I remember one of the Ferrari races when Alonzo was in his prime. They did a three or maybe 4 stopper, just chunking on new soft tires and he ran like mad, and beat everyone trying to do a one or two stopper and save tires. Ah the good ol days, when driving at the limit for the entire race was the way to win.

[sammyg2]

Yep, good ole days back when they had unlimited amount of bridgestones and could fuel as much and as often as they wanted.
I remember schumi pitting unexpectedly and I wondered what the heck they were thinking.
Then he'd lap 4 or 5 seconds faster than the field until it was time to pit again.

[Rtrorkt]

just a reminder of racing in the day. Clearly not hi def, but the passion shows