Do you believe in ghosts ?

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by kach22i

What if gravity and or friction were altered?

Then it takes a lot less energy to move laterally.

Magnetic levitation

If you have ever tried to budge a door a ghost wants closed, let me tell you, you cannot even get the wood panels of the door to deflect in a normal fashion when putting your shoulder into it, the door material and frame become fused like a solid steel plate, no flex. And forget using the door knob, it's like welded. Oh, and it can get cold as ice in the middle of summer.

Energy?

We don't really understand it, can measure it and use it but do we really understand it?

If we really understand it, then where are my anti-gravity boots?

You saying ghosts have magnetic personalities?

[sjf911]

Originally Posted by IROC

Nope. To me, it all comes down to evidence. For centuries there have been people experiencing unexplained phenomena that is attributed to ghosts, but there is exactly zero evidence that these "ghosts" actually exist. Zero.

So...no. No such thing.

Well, there is anecdotal evidence which obviously is the weakest kind of evidence. However, there is no physical mechanism within the known laws of physics that would support the existence of ghosts/souls, conservation of energy/information and all that including lack of degrees of freedom within the electromagnetic quantum field.

[stomachmonkey]

If you believe in God then you have to believe in ghosts.

It's that simple.

Note: belief in God is not required to believe in ghosts.

[sammyg2]

The mind is a terrible thing, let's stamp it out in our lifetime.

[IROC]

Originally Posted by sjf911

Well, there is anecdotal evidence which obviously is the weakest kind of evidence. However, there is no physical mechanism within the known laws of physics that would support the existence of ghosts/souls, conservation of energy/information and all that including lack of degrees of freedom within the electromagnetic quantum field.

I stand corrected.

It seems that the more we learn about the human brain and how we experience the world around us, the less reliable (or more questionable) our interpretations of all of these different "phenomena" become. "Eyewitness" testimony is extremely unreliable. Shockingly unreliable. Also, it seems (and trying to keep this out of PARF) some people are more susceptible to certain "beliefs" than others. That doesn't call into question the veracity of the belief at all - just the "reality" or truth of the belief.

When I was a kid, I saw a train engine driving down a paved road. I saw it. To this day (~50 years later) I can still picture in my mind that train engine going down the road. My eyes and my brain told me what I saw was real. It wasn't.

I am fascinated by these ghost stories - not because I believe any of them to be true - but because these experiences were so real to the observer that they believe they are true. That is what is interesting. The fraternity house I lived in for 2.5 years in college was supposedly haunted. I can tell lots of stories of "supernatural events" that supposedly went on in that house (even while I lived there). I didn't experience any of these events, but I can assure you that those that did experience them believed them to be true.

That's fascinating.

[GH85Carrera]

Mike, that same thing can be said for people "experiencing contact with extraterrestrials" or bigfoot encounters. They honestly believe it, even though there is not one single bit of hard "real" evidence. No hairs, skin, dead bodies, bones or teeth. Evidently the Unicorns come through and bury the dead bigfoots (bigfeet) or maybe it is the extraterrestrials that take the dead bodies away.

[IROC]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

Mike, that same thing can be said for people "experiencing contact with extraterrestrials" or bigfoot encounters. They honestly believe it, even though there is not one single bit of hard "real" evidence. No hairs, skin, dead bodies, bones or teeth. Evidently the Unicorns come through and bury the dead bigfoots (bigfeet) or maybe it is the extraterrestrials that take the dead bodies away.

Exactly. Full disclosure - I used to be hard core into the whole alien/UFO/abduction thing. I fully believed that aliens were visiting Earth and our government was covering it up. When Al Gore invented the internet () I gobbled up stories of cow mutilations and "lost time".

Then, I started getting disillusioned with all of the stories that promised hard evidence and "proof" that was really only more of the same - flimsy eyewitness reports and pieces of weather balloons. I finally had to admit to myself that there simply was no evidence that any of it was true. As much as I wanted it to be true, I knew there was no evidence, so I let it go. So, I've BTDT.

If someone comes forward with real, honest-to-goodness evidence of UFOs, ghosts, Bigfoot or religious deities, I am all over it. Until then...

[tabs]

My Shrink friend once told me that he was supervising a PhD candidates psych dissertation on Alien Abduction...I asked him if it was true....his comment was that something happened to the people who experienced the phenomena. It is real to the people who it happened to. So the question becomes what was it that happened?

Now a guy like Seahawk who has been a Naval Aviator has the ability based upon experience to tell ya what is a known or natural occurrence and what isn't. He is a credible witness based upon training and experience.

There are many things out there Horatio that are beyond our knowledge and or comprehension..to be an out right denier is to think that everything is already known and it couldn't possibly be, end of story..denial is the refuge of people who do not want to deal with unpleasant realities.

I am with Seahawk in not wanting to ever to have to deal with ANYTHING supernatural, paranormal or extraterrestrial in nature.

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

Ah, so ghosts can alter gravity? And they can create as much energy as lightning. Dang, we need to trap some and harness them as a green new deal energy source that is totally fossil fuel free.

Next you will claim they operate at quantum levels and that is why they are hard to track.

Yea, in extreme (not on Earth) conditions time itself slows down at near light speeds. So what? Gravity, and energy in normal human life supporting conditions just don't change.

I don't know if ghost can alter gravity, but dang as trans-dimensional beings why could they not operate at quantum levels? It would kind of be a requirement, wouldn't it?

Open your mind and have fun with it, what's the worst that can happen?

2011
Physicists investigate lower dimensions of the universe

(PhysOrg.com) -- Several speculative theories in physics involve extra dimensions beyond our well-known four (which are broken down into three dimensions of space and one of time). Some theories have suggested 5, 10, 26, or more, with the extra spatial dimensions "hiding" within our observable three dimensions. One thing that all of these extra dimensions have in common is that none has ever been experimentally detected; they are all mathematical predictions.

More recently, physicists have been theorizing the possibility of lower dimensionality, in which the universe has only two or even one spatial dimension(s), along with one dimension of time. The theories suggest that the lower dimensions occurred in the past when the universe was much smaller and had a much higher energy level (and temperature) than today. Further, it appears that the concept of lower dimensions may already have some experimental evidence in cosmic ray observations......

I think the author of the below took an extra long bong hit, but it's a fun read.

2017
Extraterrestrial and Extradimensional Beings — How They Travel Space and Time
To Understand ET, You Need to Understand Dimensionality
https://medium.com/we-are-not-alone-the-disclosure-lobby/extraterrestrial-and-extradimensional-beings-how-they-travel-space-and-time-fee564a2cf68

Dark energy is the space between what we might consider visible matter. All matter is fundamentally energy, whether it is light or dark in nature. Dark energy is what we might call the glue that holds all light matter in the cosmos together. Within dark matter is a tremendous amount of what we call zero-point energy, which is the fundamental force behind systems like gravity, light, and the electro-magnetic forces. It is also the mechanism behind what some of us might call soul force, love force, or light force. Dark energy could be compared to wet sand on a beach — we have the ability to make sand castles from it, or it can remain in its natural state. Dark matter, as we call it, is the fundamental force of entropy that allows the sand castles to decay.

Take another deep breath...............and hold it.

The Quantum Theory of Ghosts (Abstract Edition)
Originally developed by Professor Max Bruin, PhD
https://maskofreason.wordpress.com/the-book-of-mysteries/theories/quantum-theory-of-ghosts/

Since the rise of mankind there have been stories of the spirits of the dead returning to haunt the living. The very word, haunt, comes from the concept of an animal feeding place, and ghosts are seen as feeding upon the living. Some societies revere the spirits of their ancestors, but even these myths include angry ghosts who prey upon the hapless mortals.

But what are ghosts? The rise of science tells us that the idea of ghosts as spirits of the dead is absurd. They exist in the supernatural, in a realm where science cannot tread, and as such they are dismissed as little more than the imagination of frightened, backward thinking people. However, with the advent of quantum mechanics, new explanations shed light on why the myth of ghosts remains prevalent in cultures around the world..........

This below fits my theory of why no appearances happen among disbelievers or people never touched by ghosts before, they need a conduit.

Ghosts are created when the observer’s emotions create a semi-permanent “indentation” into the quantum tapestry of the universe. Like the scent of burned toast that remains long after the offending bread is discarded, ghosts are impressions of emotions that remain long after the cause has been resolved. Ghosts, therefore, are formed not from the dead, but from the living and their interactions with the world around them. The recording of events within the subatomic weave gives rise to an afterimage, and depending on the intensity of the emotion and the permeability of the quantum state, different “types” of ghosts can be created.

If you had an encounter as a child the conduit is still there, if not then you are out of luck, no trans-dimensional doors opening for you.

The part that is a mystery to me is why recordings pick up ghost voices when the people present cannot hear them. Spooky stuff indeed.

I know people making such recordings, unexplainable.

[GH85Carrera]

I have an open mind to real possibilities. I don't open my mind so far my intelligence falls out.

I LOVE science fiction. Partly because it shows what might happen or could happen. But I dod understand it is all make believe.

I much prefer a world with verifiable facts. A world where the rules of science are the same to everyone rich or poor, and all races. Newtons rules work well enough from most day to day life, but we need Einsteins rules of relativity in in the world as well. I hears that relativity is required to keep the super accurate clocks of the GPS system accurate. If it was ignored the GPS maps could drift off as much as 6 miles per day.

[wayner]

I saw a ghost pepper once...

(I am afraid of ghost peppers )

[Captain Ahab Jr]

When I was a child I believed in UFO's but not dinosaurs, still want to believe in UFO's but think most sightings can be explained

I have friends that have a house that is haunted, they have experienced all sorts of events, shadowy figures, foot steps, doors closing, orbs (I saw the video), cats staring at something invisible moving across the room. They seem like sensible people who just accept it as their version of normal so I have no reason not to believe them.

A friend of my dad's was followed by a UFO hovering over his Jeep on a straight road late one night, it then flew off in the blink of an eye, He had friends at a local military tracking station that confirmed they had picked up and object which then left their radar screen faster than any man made craft could have achieved

I'm disappointed not to have experienced anything paranormal despite spending my childhood living in the Bermuda triangle, then my teenage years living in a 500 yr old house and more recently visiting the far side for 10 mins

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

You saying ghosts have magnetic personalities?

I don't know, but I do know a group of people that bought one of those detectors and give ghost tours of a haunted restaurant in Detroit.

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/ghost-hunting-apps-haunted-nyc/

By measuring the quantum fluctuations around your device, GRC purports to determine the presence of a spirit—a green dot—and even communicate with the being.

Somebody is making money on this stuff.

The Ghost Meter EMF Sensor
https://www.google.com/search?q=ghost+detector&client=firefox-b-1-d&tbm=shop&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj_hpqD1P3gAhVJC6wKHXovCCwQ_AUICigB&biw=1280&bih=619&dpr=1.5#spd=7516224380834228811



Meterk EMF Meter Electromagnetic Field Radiation Detector Handheld Mini Digital LCD EMF Detector Dosimeter Tester Counter
https://www.amazon.com/Meterk-Electromagnetic-Radiation-Detector-Dosimeter/dp/B0754VVW4W



Ghost hunting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_hunting

Ghost hunters use a variety of electronic devices, including EMF meters, digital thermometers, both handheld and static digital video cameras, including thermographic and night vision cameras, as well as digital audio recorders.

EMF measurement
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMF_measurement

EMF measurements are measurements of ambient (surrounding) electromagnetic fields that are performed using particular sensors or probes, such as EMF meters. These probes can be generally considered as antennas although with different characteristics. In fact probes should not perturb the electromagnetic field and must prevent coupling and reflection as much as possible in order to obtain precise results. There are two main types of EMF measurements:

On the tours they talk to the ghost, ask questions and then listen to the recordings, some weird stuff happens that sounds like answers to questions but of course it takes a great deal of imagination to make it out.

[DanielDudley]

https://imgur.com/gallery/UyA4nl9

[IROC]

Originally Posted by tabs

Now a guy like Seahawk who has been a Naval Aviator has the ability based upon experience to tell ya what is a known or natural occurrence and what isn't. He is a credible witness based upon training and experience.

With all due respect to Seahawk, he is also human and subject to the same cognitive limitations as the rest of us. The real "training and experience" takes the form of understanding that every one of us is fallible and that we are easily fooled.

There are many things out there Horatio that are beyond our knowledge and or comprehension..to be an out right denier is to think that everything is already known and it couldn't possibly be, end of story..denial is the refuge of people who do not want to deal with unpleasant realities.

Unfortunately, your argument is a straw man and frankly unexpectedly juvenile for a man of your substantial acumen. No one (certainly not me) is pushing "outright denial". Of course there are things we don't understand. Just because we don't know the answer to something doesn't mean the answer is "unknowable" or that the only plausible answer is a supernatural explanation. Or aliens. Or ghosts. Or Bigfoots.

In the history of mankind, the list of things that were once mysteries but are now known and understood is very long. Never...not once, has the answer to one of the mysteries been "supernatural". So, I would submit that subscribing to supernatural explanations for events is the actual "refuge of people who do not want to deal with unpleasant realities" - not those of us who simply ask for evidence for beliefs...

[LEAKYSEALS951]

Originally Posted by kach22i

If you had an encounter as a child the conduit is still there, if not then you are out of luck, no trans-dimensional doors opening for you.
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When I read this, I heard his voice, and immediately thought of this guy...

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

I am a fallen Catholic (and I can't get up), but watching the local Priest work our old rental house ten years ago (ghosts) was all I needed to know.

He told me to simply deny their presence. I have that skill. Always will.

Many years ago I met a Lenni Lenape elder at a local gathering. He told me about the Stalker, a spirit that thrives on fear. He told me the only way to thwart the spirit was to "wish it peace". Probably just Native myth but who knows, and I have gotten the willies more than once while in the deep woods and used his advice to sleep well.

[kach22i]

.........deny their presence

Originally Posted by flatbutt

.....He told me the only way to thwart the spirit was to "wish it peace". ......

Yep, just blot out that part of your brain that holds childlike wonder and creativity.

No tea parties with unwanted guests that the parents cannot see.

Typically this takes no effort as we age and start thinking like adults.

Adults that cannot get such house parties out of their heads turn to numbing their mind with alcohol and or other drugs.

And house cats, well they are conduits tuned into these happenings and act crazy.

Cats in the Ancient World
https://www.ancient.eu/article/466/cats-in-the-ancient-world/

The goddess Bastet, commonly depicted as a cat or as a woman with a cat’s head, was among the most popular deities of the Egyptian pantheon. She was the keeper of hearth and home, protector of women’s secrets, guardian against evil spirits and disease, and the goddess of cats.

[IROC]

Originally Posted by kach22i

And house cats, well they are conduits tuned into these happenings and act crazy.

Your world is very strange and mysterious.

I have some ghost meters in my basement. They work great and even have new batteries in them. They are very valuable, but I would be willing to make you a deal if you're interested.

[Norm K]

I spent most of my life on the fence about this, then an event coming up on five years ago shoved me right off.

I don't know what's out there, but I am quite certain that something is. And our inability to see it, touch it, measure it or detect it (yet) does nothing to convince me otherwise.

Hell, we didn't know rabout adio waves until about 150 years ago, nor the jet stream until about 50 years after that. Yet somehow, despite our previous ability to detect them, they existed.

The Truth is Out There.

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