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[KFC911]

I'm doing just fine on the sidelines observing this mess . I did move from being 100% in equities a couple of years ago....gradually, to fixed income though. Motivated by lots of factors and missed some equity gains...no biggie.

I'm doing nothing now...

[fintstone]

Are you guys still talking about this? Don't let the talking heads and politicians talk you into a recession and pulling your money out of equities. Nothing has changed. It was just a buying opportunity.

Get a mortgage and buy a house while money is cheap.

[tabs]

Originally Posted by jyl

Fed's mandate per statute is

"The Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the Federal Open Market Committee shall maintain long run growth of the monetary and credit aggregates commensurate with the economy’s long run potential to increase production, so as to promote effectively the goals of maximum employment, stable prices, and moderate long-term interest rates."

With unemployment <4%, CPI inflation around 2%, and 10 year Treasury yields a little over 2% (until recently), the economy was inline with its mandate.

The Fed tries to apply/remove monetary stimulus as needed to smooth out economic cycles to keep inline with mandate. Which means they apply stimulus when economy is in a recession and remove it when economy is recovered and overheating.

During Bernanke's term, the Fed applied unprecedented amounts of monetary stimulus (lowering rates and buying bonds) to help pull the US out of the Great Recession. During Yellen's term, the Fed started removing that stimulus (raising rates and not buying bonds). Powell started out continuing stimulus removal.

However, the President wants maximum stimulus as long as he's President, so he is forcing the Fed to lower rates (add stimulus). The escalating trade wars (US vs everyone including China) are acting as drags on the economy, further pressuring the Fed to lower rates. And the $1.3 trillion/year Federal budget deficit is forcing massive bond issuance, pressuring the Fed to resume buying bonds.

We are currently in a vicious cycle. President escalates trade war, markets drop, Fed cuts rates, markets rebound, President escalates again, repeat.

The President hopes this will end with China surrendering (agreeing to a trade deal that looks like a US victory) when maximum monetary stimulus is in effect, to trigger a monster market rally in time for the election. China hopes to wait it out until after the election, because there's diminishing time to negotiate and ratify a deal with this Administration, so why agree to painful concessions now and risk the next Administration demanding even more.

President sees he's running out of time to force a Chinese surrender and is choosing to keep raising the pressure. The more pressure from the US, the less China can surrender (lose face etc). So China is being forced to match with trade retaliation and currency devaluation. The collateral economic damage is forcing central banks around the world to cut rates, adding to pressure on the Fed to cut rates. The trade war mentality is spreading, with Brexit and now Japan/Korea.

So one way this can go is for the world economy to go into recession, with trade wars and tariffs high, but the Fed and other central banks having already cut rates as much as they can. At that point, the Fed will have very limited ability to apply more monetary stimulus by cutting rates. The budget deficit will be over $2 trillion/year, meaning very limited ability to apply fiscal stimulus. US companies are carrying the highest debt loads in history. US consumer debt is rising and savings are thin. The Fed will be forced to apply monetary stimulus by buying bonds, hence the risk of negative US yields.

Not a good direction.

Obviously this doesn't mean the stock market goes straight down from here. There will probably be more mini rallies and pullbacks before the "main act". So there are trading opportunities. But overall I think stock exposure should be on the lower side and getting trimmed with each mini-rally. Don't want to over-estimate how cleverly one can time trades.

From Jan 2018 highs to July 2019 highs, SP500 was up +5%, which is just +3% annualized. But during that time the SP500 had two -7% falls and a -20% fall. The ratio of return to risk (volatility) is deteriorating. And just eyeballing the chart, the time between falls seems to be getting shorter. Look like something that merits over-exposure?

Boiler Plate, boiler plate...boiler plate..

This is a good prosiace rendition of what is happening superficially..it is accurate anyway.

What I get at is the unseen hand of the Animal Spirits...I get into the guts and brains of the beast. I clean the table off of the boiler plate noise and get down to the heart of the matter. What does it really mean...and why it is happening. I figured it out I got it..

The FED went all Accommodative all the time in 2012, it had to, to keep the light on. Yellsin inherited POLICY part of which was the idea to stabilize the economy and once stabilized back off from Accommodative to going to Neutral policy..they thought they could do it. They HAD TO TRY...It has basically FAILED..Now they are forced back into the Accommodative policy and when Powell says they are not back into that policy why Equites become volatile..meaning they go down.

As stated the FED has broken the spell/trust Equites had that the FED was going to be there to accommodate the economy...they reinstated Accommodative policy and Equites did what ..go up..what a surprise??? BUT Equites are a lot more skittish now because TRUST has been broken..and as stated in December they have become more volatile..


In 2012 I stated that the FED policy could never be able to back off of the QE juicing..or the economy would start to falter. It was very clear if you understood that a new economic paradigm was at work and this 2008 "Great Recession" was NOT just another bump in the road...BUT A GAME CHANGER...NO BODY ELSE FKIN UNDERSTOOD ThAT...and for the most part you all still don't...including the leadership..

I also stated that when it starts to dawn on you that this is it...and the writing is on the wall. as to what the outcome of fiscal, and Accommodative policy is going to be...that is when the DESPERATION AND THEN PANIC starts to set...when you fully realize the you are on the deck of the Titanic and nothing is going to save you and your fate is sealed*....your reaction is going to be...meanwhile the squirrels will start to act like ants on a hot tin plate as the situation deteriorates and the stresses build..tension gets relieved through bad things happening..like mayhem in the streets.. and political dysfunction...

Somw fkin surprise it is to me...that all of this crapola psychosis is happening...it is all in the archives...


* The passing of the debt ceiling limit with out a squeak from Congress or the Admin is an ADMISSION that there is nothing that can be done to fix going further into debt...that the debt train is inexorably headed for the cliff. The de facto emotional effect is corrosive and has created a whole new level of instability and stress into the system.. Which has been played out in the streets, in DC and Internationally...End of fkin story..

It is very clear..

[tabs]

All of the fkin bickerin on this Board and in the public discourse about Trump and TDS etc is just the fkin psychotic noise that the Lemmings make on their way to the cliff...Look to what is behind the noise you are making..the noise is a distraction that you all get caught up in..you don't know anyplace else to look. So you have to find a place to lay the blame at...you can not bite down on the bullet of where you are really headed..and certainly no one in leadership positions media etd has any incentive to tell ya...not that they know any different..they are all struggling to make sense of it to.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by fintstone

Are you guys still talking about this? Don't let the talking heads and politicians talk you into a recession and pulling your money out of equities. Nothing has changed. It was just a buying opportunity.

Get a mortgage and buy a house while money is cheap.

You could not "give" me a house....no thanks fint....just in case .

Though this area has been immune to RE fluctuations over the decades (other than the fiasco 10 years ago )....well, it's a bubble now....

I just put a "vacant" ins. policy on a house....at least six "want to buy" BS offers in my mailbox within days ....nope! Kid I just talked to....broker is gonna get him and his SO in a house....no $ down...he ain't even close to being ready .

So I'll just watch...

CHEAP, easy credit....sux imo.

Sure there is $ to be made....always is...if that's what motivates you...and you are in a position to do so...YMMV.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by KC911

You could not "give" me a house....no thanks fint....just in case .

Though this area has been immune to RE fluctuations over the decades (other than the fiasco 10 years ago )....well, it's a bubble now....

I just put a "vacant" ins. policy on a house....at least six "want to buy" BS offers in my mailbox within days ....nope! Kid I just talked to....broker is gonna get him and his SO in a house....no $ down...he ain't even close to being ready .

So I'll just watch...

CHEAP, easy credit....sux imo.

Sure there is $ to be made....always is...if that's what motivates you...and you are in a position to do so...YMMV.

You could give me a couple.

I just bought a house (for myself/my family to use when I visit my daughter/son-in-law). Got a great deal, but paid cash to move quickly. That said, at current rates, I would have gotten a loan if it was not so difficult and time consuming to provide all the stupid documentation they need. Pretty silly to me that is the case when you have more in liquid cash/investment than the house costs. On a positive note, it was just before the recent small correction...so pulling the money out of the market was timely.

Personally, I am a big fan of holding long-term rentals (for folks without a lot to invest). It is a good investment over a very long term (which is good for most that don't)...and can be easily done outside of normal work activities (without significant interference). It also helps provide nice, healthy, relatively low-cost housing for families in nice areas wit good schools that they could not afford otherwise.

Yes, I constantly get mail and calls regarding all my homes from folks that want to buy them. Apparently the real estate seminars tell them to do so for anyone with an out-of-state address in the tax records. Some do it if the tax bill goes anywhere other than to the address. It gets annoying as it seems everyone has the same idea and with the many homes I have, I get dozens each week. All seem to think they will take advantage of some sort of "distressed" sale. They will take it "as is" and imply they know all about it although it is clearly a form letter and in some cases, the house just finished renovation the week before. If it were actually for sale, it would have a sign out in front of it and be listed in the MLS. These are just scum that want to take advantage of folks.

I have a rental in the Denver metro area where a realtor has sent me a letter almost every week for about 30 years telling me that real estate is about to crash there and I should get out now...and he would be happy to take it off my hands at a below-market rate (I could lock in my gains). The value of the house is now about 5 times what it cost new and has paid me rent for almost 40 years now...and he still sends me the letters (reminds me of some of Tabby's warnings). Rent has only doubled during that time (and taxes and insurance are way up...so renters are getting a deal IMHO).

[KFC911]

I have a $kinle$$ dawg....ain't chasin' her any mo' neither....different strokes fint .

[fintstone]

Personally, I am at the point where I might try to simplify a bit myself (old and near retirement)...but it is a challenge because I have tenants in my rentals and there will be a huge tax bill to pay. Then, I would have to figure out where to put the money to fund my retirement that will pay me each month and keep up with inflation. It seems that in retirement, one should have more time to chase that dog...after giving up the 65 hr a week at the desk (plus commute). It may be easier to just continue as I am and defer gains (and continue to get income).

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by fintstone

Personally, I am at the point where I might try to simplify a bit myself (old and near retirement)...but it is a challenge because I have tenants in my rentals and there will be a huge tax bill to pay. Then, I would have to figure out where to put the money to fund my retirement that will pay me each month and keep up with inflation. It seems that in retirement, one should have more time to chase that dog...after giving up the 65 hr a week at the desk (plus commute). It may be easier to just continue as I am and defer gains (and continue to get income).

I have a friend in Salem Oregon with exactly that problem. 32 paid for rental units, houses and multi units both, he manages all. 78 years old, doesn't want to sell because of capital gains. Our legislature just hit him with rent control laws.

Well, his choice...but I feel sorry for the guy. He doesn't have much time left, and all he does is manage those units. No wife, no kids...the rentals are his life, I guess.

[KFC911]

^^^ I have posted a similar tale before....not me .

Back to the topic....

Here it comes....the world #s are coming in...

And the tweets...of course

[Sooner or later]

It is not surprising.

Japan at negative rates. Italy in a recession. Germany and GB on the verge of recession. China with their various messes.

[RWebb]

auger in

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Trump blinking on his own tariff war, today's market, Asia opening lower our tomorrow... Even with Trump's blink, if Christmas sales aren't healthy, that will be the beginning of the end.

[biosurfer1]

After 10+ years of a bull market, I feel like a correction is healthy...as long as my dividend growth stocks weather it like previous corrections😁