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Brando 12-07-2019 10:36 AM

Listening to Joe Rogan yesterday and reading about delivery services switching to EV... I think the next question is: Can the energy grid support EV vehicles? After-all, it's just displacing the pollution.

We need cheap modern nuclear to support a big shift to EVs.

RWebb 12-07-2019 12:22 PM

Who is Joe Rogan?

Will more electric cars cause the grid to crash? Matteo Muratori of the National Renewable Energy Lab took a look at that question recently and decided the answer is no. His research suggests the existing grid can cope just fine with more electric cars on the road. In fact, it can handle the demand that would occur if 25% of the cars on the road are electric. After that, system upgrades will be necessary, but we are a long way away from that 25% number right now and will be for many years to come.

Good luck getting nuke plants built...

onewhippedpuppy 12-07-2019 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RWebb (Post 10681368)
Who is Joe Rogan?

Will more electric cars cause the grid to crash? Matteo Muratori of the National Renewable Energy Lab took a look at that question recently and decided the answer is no. His research suggests the existing grid can cope just fine with more electric cars on the road. In fact, it can handle the demand that would occur if 25% of the cars on the road are electric. After that, system upgrades will be necessary, but we are a long way away from that 25% number right now and will be for many years to come.

Good luck getting nuke plants built...

I suspect it’s not as easy as that blanket answer. Some areas are largely tapped out on capacity while others would have plenty to spare. Ironically it’s the heavily urbanized areas that are a great fit for EV that also have electric grid issues.

One other note about EV, how many people are prepared to drop big money on a new car and then spend a few thousand to have a 220v or 440v charger installed in their garage?

Racerbvd 12-07-2019 01:34 PM

https://youtu.be/EAU01vhHMPw

RWebb 12-07-2019 04:24 PM

220V shouldn't be too bad

yes, local grid issues are likely; dunno how fine-grained the NREL study was

RWebb 12-07-2019 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Seahawk (Post 10681033)

needs a Ragin' Cajuns bumper sticker

and some crawfish net traps strung along the sides

pmax 12-07-2019 04:44 PM

Lots of smart folks on utube !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0W1ZZYIV8o

berettafan 12-07-2019 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RWebb (Post 10681368)
Who is Joe Rogan?

Will more electric cars cause the grid to crash? Matteo Muratori of the National Renewable Energy Lab took a look at that question recently and decided the answer is no. His research suggests the existing grid can cope just fine with more electric cars on the road. In fact, it can handle the demand that would occur if 25% of the cars on the road are electric. After that, system upgrades will be necessary, but we are a long way away from that 25% number right now and will be for many years to come.

Good luck getting nuke plants built...

That is in sharp contrast to my experience buying electricity for a municipality. Electricity is in limited supply and we see this evidenced when you hear those 'beat the peak' pleas in the summer time.

PS, electricity...ALL of it, not just what is used for cars, is gonna get a lot more expensive if demand goes up.

berettafan 12-07-2019 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 10681388)
I suspect it’s not as easy as that blanket answer. Some areas are largely tapped out on capacity while others would have plenty to spare. Ironically it’s the heavily urbanized areas that are a great fit for EV that also have electric grid issues.

urban areas are a great fit for mass transportation. buses and trains. not thousands of electric cars. this is backwards thinking. the point of clustering people is to find efficiencies and this is the very opposite!

onewhippedpuppy 12-08-2019 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by RWebb (Post 10681571)
220V shouldn't be too bad

yes, local grid issues are likely; dunno how fine-grained the NREL study was

I don’t have any idea how expensive the Supercharger box is for your garage, but if you have to have new service brought in from your electric box for 220v or 440v that could easily run $2k+. I work in aerospace engineering but am jealous of the rates that electricians charge.

island911 12-08-2019 08:50 AM

those rates... they are shocking.


cough

wait, what are we talking about?

oh, right, the Homermobile.

Honk!

MMARSH 12-08-2019 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 10681388)
I suspect it’s not as easy as that blanket answer. Some areas are largely tapped out on capacity while others would have plenty to spare. Ironically it’s the heavily urbanized areas that are a great fit for EV that also have electric grid issues.

One other note about EV, how many people are prepared to drop big money on a new car and then spend a few thousand to have a 220v or 440v charger installed in their garage?

I spent 750 to have a outlet intalled.

RWebb 12-08-2019 12:52 PM

houses get a 220v feed - the costs vary due to how hard it is to get the 220 to where you want to charge the car

I'm a fan of the BMW range booster type hybrids partly for that reason & partly due to the extreme lack of gas stations in the Oregon outback (where I camp & mess around a lot)

wayner 12-08-2019 07:54 PM

Electrician friend is looking forward to electric Porsche customers

Tesla 3 customers squawk incessantly about the $3 -$5k installations

flipper35 12-09-2019 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by svandamme (Post 10675570)
except for tesla's won't drive into things
the brain will avoid crashing or running over peds.

Except firetrucks. They seem to like trucks.

Scott R 12-09-2019 01:28 PM

1 million "robo taxis" in about three weeks! Is everyone ready for them?

Sooner or later 12-09-2019 01:35 PM

Musk takes Cybertruck out for a spin. Takes out a pylon.

https://www.businessinsider.com/video-elon-musk-hits-traffic-sign-tesla-cybertruck-malibu-2019-12?utm_content=bufferb5c4a&utm_medium=social&utm_s ource=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer-cars&fbclid=IwAR2f4eJr2GcNnWlMT_M32z_4P-PQAWqLZep_rzYeoSzg28kuEwYd0VvVVN0


Elon Musk took Tesla's new Cybertruck out for a spin in Los Angeles on Saturday. During his drive, he took out a traffic pylon and made some other questionable driving decisions.

Racerbvd 12-09-2019 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sooner or later (Post 10683435)
Musk takes Cybertruck out for a spin. Takes out a pylon.

https://www.businessinsider.com/video-elon-musk-hits-traffic-sign-tesla-cybertruck-malibu-2019-12?utm_content=bufferb5c4a&utm_medium=social&utm_s ource=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer-cars&fbclid=IwAR2f4eJr2GcNnWlMT_M32z_4P-PQAWqLZep_rzYeoSzg28kuEwYd0VvVVN0


Elon Musk took Tesla's new Cybertruck out for a spin in Los Angeles on Saturday. During his drive, he took out a traffic pylon and made some other questionable driving decisions.

A big truck clipping a traffic pylon, sorry, not big news.

chapo 12-09-2019 06:27 PM

Must have been looking at his phone

red-beard 12-09-2019 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sooner or later (Post 10683435)
Musk takes Cybertruck out for a spin. Takes out a pylon.

https://www.businessinsider.com/video-elon-musk-hits-traffic-sign-tesla-cybertruck-malibu-2019-12?utm_content=bufferb5c4a&utm_medium=social&utm_s ource=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer-cars&fbclid=IwAR2f4eJr2GcNnWlMT_M32z_4P-PQAWqLZep_rzYeoSzg28kuEwYd0VvVVN0


Elon Musk took Tesla's new Cybertruck out for a spin in Los Angeles on Saturday. During his drive, he took out a traffic pylon and made some other questionable driving decisions.

He's driving a vehicle without a front plate...


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