Tiger Woods

[Norm K]

Originally Posted by speeder

Jack Nicklaus thinks that Tiger is the GOAT, fwiw.

Jack is a gentleman.

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[monoflo]

Tiger was one of those guys who took the game to new levels--remember sitting in a bar when he was a rookie and the whole place would watch when he was at the tee. Guys like him , Babe Ruth, maybe Jordan take the sport to new levels.

He took the game to people who weren't much into it before. One of a select few in any sport.

So hes had personal issues -- doesn't change his impact on the game. Sure his personnal life is -was flawed. Funny how the media sort of protected the Babe ---modern guys not so much.

And they do it today regardless of your color, creed, sport or hair style.

[URY914]

Originally Posted by Crowbob

Such as?

read this...

https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/secret-history-tiger-woods/story?id=47709944

[Ziggythecat]

Originally Posted by javadog

I bet you're wrong. Right leg, from having his foot hard on the brake or the floor, when the impact hit. Same thing happened to my youngest kid. Same leg, same compound fractures of both the upper and lower leg with ankle involvement.

Whatever leg he was braking with..right woukd most likely be correct

[javadog]

Originally Posted by Ziggythecat

Whatever leg he was braking with..right woukd most likely be correct

Yet, you bet it was the other one.

[gregpark]

He not only change the game but actually affected so many lives. Because of the Tiger phenomenon whole industries like golf equipment, golf apparel, golf instruction, etc. all changed and prospered dramatically. Because of Tiger Woods thousands of new golf courses popped up around the world each lined with fancy new houses. All this creating many thousands of jobs on a global scale. He made much more of a difference than Nicholas in golf or probably any individual in any given sport. Its a damn shame he started self destructing years ago. His dad wasn't the best influence nor were his bad boy NBA buddies

[javadog]

Originally Posted by URY914

read this...

https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/secret-history-tiger-woods/story?id=47709944

That’s a great article, thanks for posting it.

[RWebb]

I wonder what data the black box in the car recorded...

[javadog]

Originally Posted by gregpark

He not only change the game but actually affected so many lives. Because of the Tiger phenomenon whole industries like golf equipment, golf apparel, golf instruction, etc. all changed and prospered dramatically. Because of Tiger Woods thousands of new golf courses popped up around the world each lined with fancy new houses. All this creating many thousands of jobs on a global scale. He made much more of a difference than Nicholas in golf or probably any individual in any given sport. Its a damn shame he started self destructing years ago. His dad wasn't the best influence nor were his bad boy NBA buddies

Very true. His popularity led to huge growth and interest in golf, for people of all ages and walks of life. As his fortunes on the golf course waned, so did that interest, from what I can see.

[craigster59]

Originally Posted by URY914

read this...

https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/secret-history-tiger-woods/story?id=47709944

That's a great article. I never knew about the SEAL stuff, sounds like he banged himself up good. I was wondering if there were painkillers or other drugs that could have impaired him.

From recent reports of a run in with a director from "Grown-ish" it seems he was probably just in a heck of a hurry and got careless.

[rfuerst911sc]

The sheriff today stated no criminal charges , determined it was an accident .

[Tervuren]

Originally Posted by javadog

I watched both of their careers. Jack was great, no question. In my estimation, Tiger was better. Tiger had to deal with more injury and more fame, both of which hampered him.

It's like Schumacher vs. Senna. I'd bet on Senna. And I'd take Senna over anybody that came before him.

Opinions...

Problem with picking either of these is they might have ended up dead after a much shorter career.
They both had higher levels of risk acceptence, and the cars and tracks were safer for each.

How many crashes were these two in that if it had been a tree lined F1 track of old, in a F1 car of old, would have been career or life ending?

A lot of those in the older days that were greats never racked up the win count or championship count because they were dead.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by craigster59

That's a great article. I never knew about the SEAL stuff, sounds like he banged himself up good. I was wondering if there were painkillers or other drugs that could have impaired him.

From recent reports of a run in with a director from "Grown-ish" it seems he was probably just in a heck of a hurry and got careless.

Run-in meaning he almost hit the director's car at the start of his accident trip, not an altercation.

The article was good yet depressing in that it highlights struggles/demons we don't understand. He's got them. Glad to read he cherishes his kids. That counts big time.

[Baz]

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc

The sheriff today stated no criminal charges , determined it was an accident .

This is the sorta thing that makes no sense.

People have accidents every day and many of them are issued citations.

Having an accident doesn't disqualify someone from criminal and/or civil culpability and thus the possibility of subsequent charges.

Maybe what they are trying to say is "No laws were broken, therefore no charges will be brought."

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by Baz

This is the sorta thing that makes no sense.

People have accidents every day and many of them are issued citations.

Having an accident doesn't disqualify someone from criminal and/or civil culpability and thus the possibility of subsequent charges.

Maybe what they are trying to say is "No laws were broken, therefore no charges will be brought."

He did break traffic law. I mean there probably was a "Failure to Control" citation. That's not criminal. Paying for busted up stuff would be tied into his citation/insurance.

Is there something else that should be considered?

[Chocaholic]

Fame and resources.

[RANDY P]

People worship others they wish they could be like- whether it's sports, looks, music whatever. After awhile people start thinking they know that person and a bond is created. When loss occurs, it's like a loss of someone they actually knew- but they didn't.

Some go so far to stalk said person- Listen to "Stan" by Eminem as a good example.

rjp

[Baz]

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak

He did break traffic law. I mean there probably was a "Failure to Control" citation. That's not criminal. Paying for busted up stuff would be tied into his citation/insurance.

Is there something else that should be considered?

OK following up with that.....if he broke the law - are they saying "he didn't mean to break it" and thus no charges will be filed?

Because that makes even less sense.

People "don't mean to" do a LOT of illegal things......and are summarily busted for it 24/7.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by Baz

OK following up with that.....if he broke the law - are they saying "he didn't mean to break it" and thus no charges will be filed?

That would not be appropriate if the car was functional. I mean, it's hearsay that he was driving fast but he still lost control.

I'll bet most in the Ft Worth black ice episode were cited for failure to maintain distance even though it was impossible to stop.

[MikeSid]

Originally Posted by Baz

OK following up with that.....if he broke the law - are they saying "he didn't mean to break it" and thus no charges will be filed?

Because that makes even less sense.

People "don't mean to" do a LOT of illegal things......and are summarily busted for it 24/7.

In most jurisdictions, traffic infractions have been de-criminalized. They are civil infractions, not crimes.

If you are speeding or run a red light and get pulled over for it, you get a ticket. You don't go to jail. It is a civil infraction.

If you run a red light and hit a pedestrian and kill them, you have committed both a traffic infraction and the crime of vehicular assault/homicide.

Without proof of Tiger's speed, a criminal charge of negligent driving is probably not possible.

So Tiger broke traffic laws. He committed civil infractions. He didn't break any criminal laws (without proof of his speed). And his intent is irrelevant. A driver is liable regardless of intent. The question is whether the driver committed a civil infraction or a committed a crime.

If Tiger's accident had harmed a pedestrian or passenger, he'd be charged with a crime.