Asian beat downs.

[rusnak]

Around here, they say "Yeww unna dem ornamenal people, ain' chee? Ah never met me an' ornamenal person befo'. "

[Nostril Cheese]

I remember my parents using "oriental" in SoCal, but that was 30 years ago and there was certainly no racist intention. I was told to use Asian in school and had plenty of Asian friends.

[URY914]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

The people without a moral compass aren't the root of the problem. The root is leaders and public figures that point a compass in the wrong direction, for personal gain.

People are weak, they are tribal, they can't make sense of their own world and play the victim. They follow any compass needle that eases their pain by inflicting pain on others. Inflicting pain is strength. It's community. It creates a focus for them to make sense of why they are where they are. People are weak.

Leaders exploit that weakness, they exploit their pain.

This explains Jan 6th as well. All of them would say they have a "moral compass", but it was it was exploited by a public figure.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Honestly why can’t you guys keep the PARF BS to PARF? Want to go bash the former President? Great, there’s an entire forum for that! Go have your little political circle jerk there, because you are poisoning this forum.

[URY914]

This thread should have been in PARF from the beginning. I said early on that it will probably be moved. You're ignoring the elephant in the room if you think this subject doesn't have ties to the guy who was calling it the China Flu in the first place.

[Baz]

Originally Posted by URY914

This thread should have been in PARF from the beginning. I said early on that it will probably be moved. You're ignoring the elephant in the room if you think this subject doesn't have ties to the guy who was calling it the China Flu in the first place.

We're discussing the fact that some people are more easily influenced than others that takes them off their moral compass.

Now why does that happen?

Why has it happened to you, for example in this thread.

Like I said....what is the root cause?

I think parenting has a lot to do with it.

There are other reasons too, obviously.

And nothing is ever certain so there are variables.

Now with this is mind, Paul....if you'd like to make a comment - something substantial to the discussion - I'd like to hear it.

Thanks!

[yellowline]

Originally Posted by URY914

This thread should have been in PARF from the beginning. I said early on that it will probably be moved. You're ignoring the elephant in the room if you think this subject doesn't have ties to the guy who was calling it the China Flu in the first place.

Perhaps our government needs to unite us against a common enemy: the CCP. Their role in creating the pandemic needs to be assessed and appropriate action needs to be taken. Perhaps they wanted to save face and pretend this was no big deal, or perhaps it was more malicious. Trump sought to do that, especially as more information about CCP and WHO stonewalling came to light, but he was not articulate about it.

I am sure there is some frustration among individuals that we are not working on this constructively as a nation, and that is why we see this violence. It doesn’t excuse the acts of violence. However, part of the response needs to be that we need to get 98% of the country on the same page with respect to the CCP, the same way we viewed the Soviets. Get our critical manufacturing- our electronics, our pharmaceuticals, our steel- out of there.

[Baz]

Kinda related.......last night I watched the 1961 classic "Breakfast at Tiffany's" on TCM.

Breakfast at Tiffany's was theatrically released by Paramount Pictures on October 5, 1961, to critical and commercial success, grossing $14 million on a $2.5 million budget.

The film received five nominations at the 34th Academy Awards: Best Actress (for Hepburn), Best Adapted Screenplay, Best Production Design, winning Best Original Score and Best Original Song for "Moon River". The film is considered "culturally, historically or aesthetically" significant by the U.S. Library of Congress and was selected to be preserved in the National Film Registry in 2012.

After the movie the panel discussed the Mickey Rooney character which at the time seemed to be a touch of humour. But later on as society's thinking evolved became clear it was a bit racist in it's depiction of the Japanese people.

Breakfast at Tiffany's' Mr. Yunioshi as portrayed by Mickey Rooney:

[URY914]

Originally Posted by Baz

We're discussing the fact that some people are more easily influenced than others that takes them off their moral compass.

Now why does that happen?

Why has it happened to you, for example in this thread.

Like I said....what is the root cause?

I think parenting has a lot to do with it.

There are other reasons too, obviously.

And nothing is ever certain so there are variables.

Now with this is mind, Paul....if you'd like to make a comment - something substantial to the discussion - I'd like to hear it.

Thanks!

Baz, for some reason you're wanting to make this personal. Are you inferring that I'm off my moral compass because I've replied to this thread with a reply that you don't agree with?
I've made my comments and if you don't feel for some reason that they are not "substantial to the discussion" than ignore them. I ignore your comments all the time.

[rfuerst911sc]

I think it's safe to say most if not all of us knows what we thought were good parents that have a bad child . And on the flip side bad parents with good kids . And single parent families that fall into both categories . So the question is in all those scenarios how do some get and keep a moral compass and some don't ?

Obviously there is not one easy answer . But an answer/s need to be found for a better overall society . And this is not restricted to the US , there is plenty of hate and violence all over the globe . I am a firm believer that things happen for a reason and things run in cycles . But I admit I am confused and shake my head at many things happening around the world . We can do better.

[wilnj]

Originally Posted by URY914

This thread should have been in PARF from the beginning. I said early on that it will probably be moved. You're ignoring the elephant in the room if you think this subject doesn't have ties to the guy who was calling it the China Flu in the first place.

You’re making the leap that most of the perpetrators of these attacks are adherents of the former President.

That’s not known and may never be known without access to the raw data because the MSM would prefer that everyone make the same leap you did, that these are all driven by white supremacists.

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by URY914 View Post
This thread should have been in PARF from the beginning. I said early on that it will probably be moved. You're ignoring the elephant in the room if you think this subject doesn't have ties to the guy who was calling it the China Flu in the first place.

Originally Posted by Baz

We're discussing the fact that some people are more easily influenced than others that takes them off their moral compass.

Now why does that happen?

Why has it happened to you, for example in this thread.

Like I said....what is the root cause?

I think parenting has a lot to do with it.

There are other reasons too, obviously.

And nothing is ever certain so there are variables.

Now with this is mind, Paul....if you'd like to make a comment - something substantial to the discussion - I'd like to hear it.

Thanks!

Baz, URY914 told you his so-called megaphone/ igniter theory (A megaphone, speaking-trumpet, bullhorn, blowhorn, or loudhailer), and you told us your bad parents theory.

The path to radicalization can have parental influences, but it can also include social media, news media, peer pressure, mob mentality, and yes politics and religion.

In old world closed societies where the parents, usually the father had control over what ideas his children were exposed to, indeed parenting was of greater influence.

In the new world that most of us grew up in we had school teachers, time to socialize and play with friends (traditionally prior generations children worked the farm or coal mines/factories) , radio, TV, newspapers, and maybe religion once a week.

Now there is even a newer world, and the influences are many and make pale any comparisons to the Information Age we in this forum grew up in.

Sure prior generations have seen the rise of powerful leaders and movements, but they actually had to use megaphones, and were speaking in trumpets.

The rally to hate can be laid to one man's voice, but beneath it is the boiling pot he is tapping into and already poised to boil over.

The fact is, human beings are like rats in a maze, take the cheese away and they will strike out in frustration. Howard explains it better than me, see video below.

Howard Bloom Youtube Video
The Biology Of Blame
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAjFBSNgo3s

The cheese is our freedom in this analogy, the denial of which has been executed via lock-down, and a tiny virus isn't biologically what we are wired to blame, humans make much easier targets, see video above for pecking order explanation.

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

The people without a moral compass aren't the root of the problem. The root is leaders and public figures that point a compass in the wrong direction, for personal gain.

People are weak, they are tribal, they can't make sense of their own world and play the victim. They follow any compass needle that eases their pain by inflicting pain on others. Inflicting pain is strength. It's community. It creates a focus for them to make sense of why they are where they are. People are weak.

Leaders exploit that weakness, they exploit their pain.

You are right, and the video I posted explains this all in greater detail.

When the head pecker tells the other chickens what to peck at they will follow, well some of them.

[Baz]

Originally Posted by URY914

-snip- I ignore your comments all the time.

I think we've discovered the problem here!



Nothing personal Paul and sorry you took it that way.

The point I was trying to make is don't let someone else take you off your ability to think outside the box. Inserting politics into a larger discussion does nothing more than devolve the conversation.

It's a long thread and I can't blame anyone for not reading through it before commenting. But we're way past the political stuff here and moving into something more substantial.

[Baz]

Originally Posted by kach22i

-snip-

When the head pecker tells the other chickens what to peck at they will follow, well some of them.

Why do those "some" not follow the head pecker though?

What makes them free thinkers with the ability to know right from wrong and to use that compass as guidance?

What is the root of it?

[berettafan]

enough with the victim groups for **** sake.

some people are crazy. some people are *******s. this guy was one of them.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Baz

Why do those "some" not follow the head pecker though?

What makes them free thinkers with the ability to know right from wrong and to use that compass as guidance?

What is the root of it?

I think that's mostly "nature" in the nature vs nurture scenario. I think the majority of people want to fit in, and so they watch what folks around them are doing and they mimic or imitate what they see. They are probably the majority, and are probably most impacted by their surroundings (not just parents, but all society around them). Then there are folks that due to their natural personality are not inclined to fit in. They may still be fairly conventional and main stream, but they choose that, more than it being a natural instinct.

You can take an average person and put them in a bad environment and they'll probably be bad. An average person will probably mostly fit their environment. There are folks that are just naturally less affected by their environment, and based on their natural inclination, they'll follow a path roughly of their choosing regardless of their environment. They may be good or they may be bad or they may be somewhere in the middle.

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by Baz

Why do those "some" not follow the head pecker though?

What makes them free thinkers with the ability to know right from wrong and to use that compass as guidance?

What is the root of it?

What Makes Someone Support a Bully?
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-couch/201908/what-makes-someone-support-bully

One study from social psychologists in Finland and California outlines three fairly standard responses to seeing someone being bullied:

Defending the victim

Remaining passive

Reinforcing the bully

Despite the moral value most of us place on defending a vulnerable person who is being bullied, many responders explained that a fear of retaliation—that is, fear that they would be attacked themselves—kept them from taking any action.

I will admit to the "remaining passive" group many times, but I've also defended the victim and sometimes lost (but also sometimes won).

I'd like to think that I've never followed a bully or been the bully myself, but you never know what other people think until you ask them, and their answers can be very surprising.

So to answer your question; FEAR

Fear can make someone join a group or do something to prove that they belong to that group.

Fear can also make someone NOT join a group, because they do not wish to have restrictions on their freedom and be forced into compliance and be dominated over.

Some people will only join a group if they can be the leader, again fear of being under someone else's thumb.

Name a person or group of persons and one can explain fear as the motivator if they wish to and work at it. It's not always apparent, but it's there.

Why do some people want harmony (Conflict Avoidance)? Fear, fear of being singled out and being victimized.

Why do some people want conflict (Combativeness), just too much testosterone? Fear, fear of being without, and having no rewards.

Maybe we are just wired to fight and cannot evolve above base animal instincts?

Some People Just Like to Fight
https://politicalviolenceataglance.org/2014/02/03/some-people-just-like-to-fight/

If things were as simple as those that seek conflict think they will not lose, and those that avoid conflict think they will not win it would be a much simpler world than it actually is.

When the person that looses thinks they have won (because they fought), and the person that won thinks they have lost (because they fought) we start to see differing values or the so-called moral compass at work.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by Baz

Why do those "some" not follow the head pecker though?

What makes them free thinkers with the ability to know right from wrong and to use that compass as guidance?

a bachelor of arts degree.

I have dual bachelor of arts degrees in bio and biochem. While science certainly helps you analyze, it's BofA degrees that help you think.

Without such degrees, you are at a disadvantage and more likely to follow a public figure's compass needle whichever way they want to point it.

[Joe Bob]

So go to Georgia, they say, it's quiet they say, Ted Turner is retired, they say, nobody gets killed there they say......