What keeps you from going out and shooting a bunch of people?

[drcoastline]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

We are entirely unique in terms of Western civilized world. No other country even close to use culturally has, as a percentage, the same number of people who want to shoot other people and do.

So the question stands, why do so many Americans shoot other Americans vs. other countries?

I think you need to break that down into what Americans want to kill other Americans. Where does the far majority of this type of crime occur? Sadly it occurs in poor minority communities. Is that racial, cultural, economic circumstances? Why is it this occurs in these communities/areas?

If we removed this statistic then were does America stand in relationship to world wide violence? Including homicide by gun. I think we would find the statistic is extremely low and even lower based on the percentage of weapons.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019

https://www.amren.com/news/2020/09/fbi-blacks-made-up-55-9-of-known-murder-offenders-in-2019/

Originally Posted by drcoastline

I think you need to break that down into what Americans want to kill other Americans. Where does the far majority of this type of crime occur? Sadly it occurs in poor minority communities. Is that racial, cultural, economic circumstances? Why is it this occurs in these communities/areas?

If we removed this statistic then were does America stand in relationship to world wide violence? Including homicide by gun. I think we would find the statistic is extremely low and even lower based on the percentage of weapons.

Great! We are making headway into actual intelligent discussion.

Don you really nailed it. Which groups (socio-economic spectrum) of Americans are killing others with guns and then what are those same (similar) groups doing in other countries.

It's obviously important to identify who is using guns to kill people to then determine why and why counterparts in other countries are/are not.

[Tervuren]

Originally Posted by Tobra

Some people are a bit in the dark about how good it is here, and how bad it is most other places.

Total up every major "shoot a bunch of people" incident this millenium that has made the national news on a longcycle and created a hot discussion topic;
It doesn't even total up one indicent in France where the weapon was blunt force trauma with a rental truck.

Perception and reality are warped in the US, badly.

[john70t]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

It's obviously important to identify who is using guns to kill people to then determine why and why counterparts in other countries are/are not.

https://conservative-headlines.org/blacks-committed-73-of-mass-shootings-in-2020-many-cases-remain-unsolved-where-is-the-fbi/
According to demographic ​data compiled by researchers at Mass-Shootings.info, black men committed 73% of mass shootings in 2020, in contrast whites were only 13% of known culprits.

Plus adjust those numbers to demographics...
Most of the school shooters were not exactly "white" and on psych meds.
It carves away the media narrative until the truth remains.
There is the answer.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

next Western country is Canada at 103. We certainly like to kill a lot more than our cousins do.

The New York, Newark, Jersey City metro-area has a population of 19.2 million people.

The population of Canada has a population of 37.6 million people.

The population of the US is 328 million people.

Hell, the population of the UK is 66.65 million people.

Canada has relatively few people spread across a large area. Of course they are killing each other less. Less crowding and fewer people that are far, far more spread out.

[masraum]

People are morons.

[drcoastline]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

Great! We are making headway into actual intelligent discussion.

Don you really nailed it. Which groups (socio-economic spectrum) of Americans are killing others with guns and then what are those same (similar) groups doing in other countries.

It's obviously important to identify who is using guns to kill people to then determine why and why counterparts in other countries are/are not.

Shaun, I don't think it is hard to identify which groups are doing the killing. The problem is certain other groups (politicians and media) try and hide or ignore it here in America. We can see those same groups, call me racists if you must but ethnicities behaving similarly in other countries, the countries of origin of themselves or their ancestors. It's no secret this all revolves around gangs and drugs.

That being said we shouldn't highjack this thread. We should start our own on this subject and put it in PARF.

[varmint]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

Great! We are making headway into actual intelligent discussion.

Don you really nailed it. Which groups (socio-economic spectrum) of Americans are killing others with guns and then what are those same (similar) groups doing in other countries.

It's obviously important to identify who is using guns to kill people to then determine why and why counterparts in other countries are/are not.

I'm Glad That I Don't Have Canadian Murder Rates Where I Live
https://pjmedia.com/blog/clayton-e-cramer/2013/02/14/im-glad-that-i-dont-have-canadian-murder-rates-where-i-live-n9082

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by drcoastline

Shaun, I don't think it is hard to identify which groups are doing the killing. The problem is certain other groups (politicians and media) try and hide or ignore it here in America. We can see those same groups, call me racists if you must but ethnicities behaving similarly in other countries, the countries of origin of themselves or their ancestors. It's no secret this all revolves around gangs and drugs.

That being said we shouldn't highjack this thread. We should start our own on this subject and put it in PARF.

Why should it be in PARF?

It's easy looking at the data which groups are using guns. The key question is are those same/similar groups statistically the same in other countries. That's what we need to find out. And then answer the question why.

[Seahawk]

Everyone should do some homework on Heather Mac Donald and her in depth analysis based on the real numbers. I have for years.

https://thespectator.info/2020/06/02/interracial-violence-in-america-by-the-numbers/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/07/03/police-black-killings-homicide-rates-race-injustice-column/3235072001/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/06/05/heather_mac_donald_america_is_being_ripped_apart_b y_lies.html

If you do not, your "opinion" is suspect.

[drcoastline]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

Why should it be in PARF?

It's easy looking at the data which groups are using guns. The key question is are those same/similar groups statistically the same in other countries. That's what we need to find out. And then answer the question why.

I am fine having it in OT but, it will get political and or racial, so may as well start in the right place.

Again, its not hard to see those same or similar groups are using guns in other countries and if guns aren't available other means. A gun is a tool. There are other tools as well. It's not "gun violence'" as the politicians/media want to insist, it is "Violence" with a gun.

I think the other stat that needs to be shown is how many crimes in America with a gun occur with a legal gun, and what I mean by a legal gun is the legal owner of the gun who has a permit (if required) went to the store laid down the money completed the paperwork and then committed the crime, time not withstanding. They could have purchased the gun ten minutes or ten years before the crime, such as the Boulder shooter who apparently purchased the gun legally himself as opposed to say the Sandy hook shooter who used his mothers legally purchased gun. At the point he took his mothers gun it was no longer legal. He did not have the legal right to posess the weapon it was essentially stolen.

[drcoastline]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

Everyone should do some homework on Heather Mac Donald and her in depth analysis based on the real numbers. I have for years.

https://thespectator.info/2020/06/02/interracial-violence-in-america-by-the-numbers/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/07/03/police-black-killings-homicide-rates-race-injustice-column/3235072001/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/06/05/heather_mac_donald_america_is_being_ripped_apart_b y_lies.html

If you do not, your "opinion" is suspect.

Just a few quick points from Seahawks links

From the first link

Between 2012 and 2015, blacks committed 85.5 percent of all black-white interracial violent victimizations (excluding interracial homicide, which is also disproportionately black-on-white). That works out to 540,360 felonious assaults on whites. Whites committed 14.4 percent of all interracial violent victimization, or 91,470 felonious assaults on blacks.

Is the vastly disproportionate number of violent crimes by blacks against whites explained by black racism? Not necessarily. It might be the product of the disproportionate propensity of blacks to commit violent crimes against anyone.

When whites encounter blacks, it’s “white bodies” that are in greater jeopardy.

We almost never see the statistics on interracial violence presented above. It’s politically incorrect, and probably impolite, to bring them up.

Link #2

The African American community tends to be policed more heavily, because that is where people are disproportionately hurt by violent street crime. In New York City in 2018, 73% of shooting victims were Black, though Black residents comprise only 24% of the city’s population.

Nationally, African Americans between the ages of 10 and 34 die from homicide at 13 times the rate of white Americans.

Link #3

Is our nation being ripped apart by a total and complete lie, a provable lie, a lie used by cynical media manipulators and unscrupulous politicians who understand that racial strife and race hatred is their path to power -- even if it destroys the country.

2,000 additional black males were killed because cops backed off of policing. Right now, we are already seeing crime going to the roof, we've seen the assassinations of cops, and I fear we're going to see more.

[svandamme]

Self preservation... No matter how many obnoxious lizard brained scum there is out there.. I don't hate em to the point I wanna die or go to jail for em. They ain't worth me suffering the repercussions...