Another harmless dog suffering prejudice from people

[Butt Runs]

You just need to beat a dog til it learns... I'm the one with the food...

[DWBOX2000]

Funny, we have one that roams the neighborhood. Probably going on 8 years now Only thing I have seen it go after is turkeys. Dogs, cats, rabbits, squirrels, kids pays no attention to. The dog thinks about one thing and that is it, tennis balls. If I won't throw it, he wanders until he finds someone that will.

The one thing that does drive me nuts is that he discovered that I have a pool and he just loves to swim. Getting him to leave is a challenge. Without the pool, I can typically just yell go home. Tail goes between the legs and he goes home. Pool, he ignores me. Almost goes into a crazy trance. I will say he is very smart for a dog. When I mow the lawn, he puts the tennis ball right on the wheel line. Every time.

[RANDY P]

Ghetto dog.

rjp

[Steve Carlton]

Looks like he fell about 10' through a big hole in the screen onto a concrete pad before the dogs attacked him. So sad.

https://abc7.com/child-dies-dog-mauling-out-window-death/10773408/

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by Baz

Dog's fault here? Or the human's fault?



Right - human probably should not own a dog at all - let alone a larger breed like this one. She's an idiot.

Both of them are idiots. His situational awareness is crap, she should stick to little dogs

[tdw28210]

Originally Posted by Tobra

Both of them are idiots. His situational awareness is crap, she should stick to little dogs

I'd divvy it up like this. Dog Owner 98%/ Jogger 2%.

She shouldn't "stick to little dogs", she'd should be hauled off to jail. Taking a pitbull on a walk in a crowded urban neighborhood with a crap/junk/garbage collar and no real ability to physically restrain the dog is the equivalent of firing a gun randomly into the air inside the city limits.

[gregpark]

Originally Posted by RANDY P

Ghetto dog.

rjp

Ghetto dog, ghetto owners, ghetto window screen, ghetto parents

[Jeff Higgins]

There is not a single breed of dog in modern society that in any way resembles a naturally occurring breed. Maybe huskies, malamutes, and a few others. The rest have all been very carefully bred by us, for very specific purposes. Terriers to hunt foxes and such, retrievers to fetch waterfowl shot by their masters, pointers to find birds for their masters, and on and on. Pit Bulls are no exception. They have been bred, by man, for a purpose - to fight. Rather than quelling and breeding out aggressive tendencies, breeders have sought to bring out those tendencies. They have been very successful.

It is no more a Pit Bull's "fault" that it has killed a child than it is a lion's "fault" that it killed an antelope. It's what they do. It's all on us to understand what we are dealing with and to deal with it accordingly. Pit Bulls can be responsibly owned by responsible people who understand what they are. But why? We have outlawed dog fighting, and for good reason. As such, this breed no longer serves any legitimate purpose, and should be eliminated altogether. Outlaw their breeding, demand that all current examples be spayed and neutered, and let the breed die off. Grandfather any living ones in, but after some reasonable period of time wherein they should all be gone, simply round up any that are seen and euthanize them. Enough is enough.

[Steve Carlton]

I agree with this, but it'll never happen. And what about the breeds that are similar to Pits? I don't even know. I know I've seen a lot of sweet Pits, though. Seems like a gangster dog to me, and I think the prey drive is the problem. Very few people are going to train them out of that, if any, would be my assumption.

They should require a license with a review of their home situation and a $1M bond on newly acquired pups. Shelters should not be allowed to let them be adopted. That will thin the herd quite a bit. Lots of other dogs can provide the dog thing without being a loaded weapon.

[gregpark]

Actually, every dog was created by man. Only the wolf is pure. We've played Frankenstein and created abominations with all sorts of problems, mental and physical. We, not God, not nature, created the pit bull and we should undo what we've done. Erase our mistake by mass Doggiecide

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by Crowbob

Pits should be banned.

At minimum, the owners should be licensed.

I would suggest that any owner of a pit, rot, or similar dangerous breed should automatically face a minimum charge of manslaughter if his/her dog kills a human and the breeder who sold the dog should face accessory charges.

That might not "fix" the problem but it would help.

[Baz]

It's disgusting to me that we spend so much time analyzing our politics......

....while stuff like traffic accidents and animal related incidents don't get SQUAT with regard to analytics.

Can you imagine a society when the thread here about the Arkansas woman who got the pit maneuver.....and this thread on pit bulls......just to name two examples, gets as much attention and commentary in the news as politics does?

Right....hell would freeze over!

[Tobra]

Better do the same thing with all the guns and cars Mr Higgins, think of the children.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by gregpark

Actually, every dog was created by man. Only the wolf is pure. We've played Frankenstein and created abominations with all sorts of problems, mental and physical. We, not God, not nature, created the pit bull and we should undo what we've done. Erase our mistake by mass Doggiecide

I wonder about that sometimes. I'm not arguing your point, as I think you're likely spot on, but what about the smaller breeds? We see a broad variety of cats, in all shapes and sizes, in nature, as just one example. Could the same have been true for dogs, before we started meddling?

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by berettafan

Most breeds require zero training to not eat children.
Genetics comes well before training.

Ya think?

[gregpark]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

I wonder about that sometimes. I'm not arguing your point, as I think you're likely spot on, but what about the smaller breeds? We see a broad variety of cats, in all shapes and sizes, in nature, as just one example. Could the same have been true for dogs, before we started meddling?

You're probably right. The Coyote and fox breeds,etc.I would think are probably natural morphs of wolves. I don't know, I'm no zoologist. I have no doubt though that the many the odd small breed dogs that don't look like they could survive in the wild are human contrived weird creations. Whenever I see someone walking a Pug I suggest they teach their dog to stop chasing parked cars. Always good for a laugh

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by Tobra

Better do the same thing with all the guns and cars Mr Higgins, think of the children.

Pit bulls have minds of their own which some people naively think that they can shape and control, but guns and cars do not, so how are pits similar to the other two?


I've had a couple of run-ins with pits at the airport I work at - a couple years ago, some idiot people that live near the property had allowed their pit, and another dog I couldn't identify, to break out of their yard and they both advance on me agressively when I was out in the open; they got hosed down with pepper spray gel, from a supersized bottle I usually have with me for that purpose, and thankfully ran off howling in agony. More recently, another nearby owner had allowed a similar jail-break of a very big, dark gray pit and it trotted into the hanger where I was working and headed straight for me - I jumped into a customer aircraft and shut the door faster than I thought I was capable of.

[sc_rufctr]

Originally Posted by Baz

Just like cops....most are good. But when one is bad - it hits the news.

Funny how that works.......





And how about some focus on the humans who encourage misbehavior by dogs. Including this breed. Do you not acknowledge they are more of the problem here?



Dog's fault here? Or the human's fault?

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Right - human probably should not own a dog at all - let alone a larger breed like this one. She's an idiot.

Sorry Baz, I disagree. Full credit to that young lady. She did everything she could to control that dog.

- I would bet she didn't choose this dog but she was "tasked" to walk it.

Her parents are 100% to blame for what happened.

[speeder]

Within a breed there can be quite a range of personality traits for all breeds but each breed also has a lot of bred-in characteristics. Remember, all domestic dogs were bred by humans to either do a specific task or to look a certain way. Sometimes both.

I have dedicated a lot of time and energy into studying dogs and their training as well as training my own dogs. I have a small library of books and I dare say that I’m really, really good at it. A couple of Pelicans, including Seahawk, have met my GSD when he was alive.

Anyone who thinks that all dog behavior can be trained and that all bad behavior, (including mauling humans), is the result of bad training doesn’t know the first thing about dogs. Anyone who thinks that their personal or anecdotal experience with a dog translates to all dogs doesn’t know the first thing about dogs.

Nature and nurture are both factors in dogs and humans. And BTW, if you have a dog that likes to bark at everything, the best that you can ever do is to stop them from doing it when you are present. There is no training that I am aware of that will change that behavior when a dog is out in a yard and another dog or a skateboard or a mail carrier comes by.

[crb07]

Wipe out the breed. There is no use for them.