The vaccine

[speeder]

Originally Posted by island911

So you are saying that your sister is stupid and cannot have a POV because she is a sub-specialist within a specialty? Because that's what started this. S/L insisting that the "350k patient doc" should not be listened to because he has not seen that many patients in person. - a ridiculous ad hominem.

No, she is not stupid. She also has a Masters in Public Health from U of MN. and I guarantee that she would think that you are a moron.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by speeder

I'm not going to waste time reading all of the posts in this thread but this one jumped out at me; if the MD you are referring to is a pathologist, then no, he does not see live human patients, ever. Pathology is a very specialized and demanding discipline in medicine and they do not treat patients.

I actually met with a Pathologist last week. She was interested in interviewing me after my primary care Doctor showed her my military records, my vaccine history and recent blood tests. They are apparently friends.

She is great and is at Johns Hopkins. The initial meeting was a VTC but it looks like I will see her in person next. She has asked me to submit to blood test every two weeks.

When she was looking through my records she commented on the fact that I have an MS from Johns Hopkins. I explained to her that there is a teeny difference between her JH degrees and mine.

She did not disagree

We all need to lighten up, folks. We have a long way to go.

[pavulon]

Originally Posted by island911

Wow. such a retort.

And you wonder why Java sez " You guys can have this “attack the messenger” crap and shove it up your butts.

Seriously, it is tiresome. Like talking to a bratty 9 y/o. -can't form a cogent retort so out comes the play-ground smack.

this has to be the most hypocritical thing you've ever written.

[island911]

Originally Posted by speeder

No, she is not stupid. She also has a Masters in Public Health from U of MN. and I guarantee that she would think that you are a moron.

And if you could follow what I was saying it was that such a person is not stupid.

BTW, childish of you to include some form of "yer a moron" in every response.

[Baz]

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by island911

This is interesting. ^



Of course trial subjects are most always cherry picked.

mRNA has been used in numerous trials going back about 10 years.

"We have never tried an mRNA vaccine in humans before" is an inaccurate statement.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by speeder

if the MD you are referring to is a pathologist, then no, he does not see live human patients, ever. Pathology is a very specialized and demanding discipline in medicine and they do not treat patients.

God, this has gotten ****ing ridiculous. Pathologists don’t see a great number of patients personally, they generally see that person’s physician instead. That’s not to say they can’t, and don’t.

In terms of the number of procedures that a pathologist might do, autopsies are vastly outnumbered by investigations of tissue and fluids from living patients.

And I bet you a nickel that there are plenty of pathologist that talk about “patients.”

I happen to agree with a lot of what Dr. Cole said, he’s not saying anything I haven’t heard from a dozen other sources. Those of you that blindly took the vaccine are welcome to your opinion but don’t criticize people like this guy that are more qualified to render an opinion on the subject than you are, just because you disagree with it.

I doubt very much that any of you has spent even a minute in your day job examining the effects of disease, toxins, drugs and other things on human bodies.

I have my point of you but most of what I do here is providing links for things I find interesting to read, read them if you want, or don’t, I don’t give a ****.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

mRNA has been used in numerous trials going back about 10 years.

"We have never tried an mRNA vaccine in humans before" is an inaccurate statement.

And they are safe, according to my trusted medical sources. Now, I should mention that they are not great enough to post on PARF but still.

[Sooner or later]

More inaccuracies from the good doctor.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/04/scicheck-idaho-doctor-makes-baseless-claims-about-safety-of-covid-19-vaccines/

These are the first vaccines using mRNA technology authorized in the U.S., but scientists have been developing and testing mRNA vaccines for years, including in people during clinical trials. Still, misinformation exploiting fears of this new technology has been common online.

To those bogus claims, Cole has now added: “mRNA trials in mammals have led to odd cancers. mRNA trials on mammals have led to autoimmune diseases — not right away, six, nine, 12 months later.”

We asked Cole to provide support for those claims, and he referred us to a 2018 paper published in the journal Nature Reviews Drug Discovery that reviewed trials and studies of various, earlier mRNA vaccines.

But that paper doesn’t support his statement.

Norbert Pardi, a research assistant professor of medicine at the University of Pennsylvania, was the lead author of the paper. He told us in an email, “No publications demonstrate that mRNA vaccines cause cancer or autoimmune diseases.”

Pardi’s 19-page paper does make one passing reference to autoimmune diseases, which is what Cole highlighted to us.

The paper says: “A possible concern could be that some mRNA-based vaccine platforms induce potent type I interferon responses, which have been associated not only with inflammation but also potentially with autoimmunity. Thus, identification of individuals at an increased risk of autoimmune reactions before mRNA vaccination may allow reasonable precautions to be taken.”

But, Pardi explained, he and the other researchers included that passage because they wanted to note some potential concerns. However, he emphasized that “no scientific evidence has confirmed that these concerns are real.”

[Sooner or later]

More inaccuracies from the good doctor.
https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/not-all-coronaviruses-are-seasonal-contrary-to-pathologist-ryan-coles-claim-covid-19-vaccines-are-effective-at-preventing-illness/
Coronaviruses are all seasonal and go away on their own, including those that cause SARS and MERS; ivermectin is effective for preventing and treating COVID-19; COVID-19 vaccines are “gene therapy”, don’t give immunity or prevent transmission
VERDICT

SOURCE: Ryan Cole, *****ute, Instagram, YouTube, 4 Mar. 2021

DETAILS
Inaccurate: First, not all coronaviruses exhibit seasonal activity, including SARS and MERS. The spread of both diseases was halted due to control measures, such as contact tracing and quarantine. Second, COVID-19 vaccines aren’t gene therapy; none are able to modify DNA.
Misleading: Ryan implied that COVID-19 vaccines aren’t working because vaccinated people must still practice physical distancing and wear masks. This isn’t true. Because it is unclear how much the vaccines reduce transmission, vaccinated people need to practice physical distancing and wear masks to protect the unvaccinated people around them, who are the majority.
Unsupported: No reliable scientific evidence supports the claim that ivermectin is an effective treatment against COVID-19. Larger and better-designed studies are required to determine ivermectin’s effect on COVID-19 patients.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by javadog

I happen to agree with a lot of what Dr. Cole said, he’s not saying anything I haven’t heard from a dozen other sources. Those of you that blindly took the vaccine are welcome to your opinion but don’t criticize people like this guy that are more qualified to render an opinion on the subject than you are, just because you disagree with it.

If by, "blindly," you mean listening to the top infectious disease specialists on earth and brilliant physicians in my personal orbit that truly understand vaccines in general and these ones in specific before getting the jab, then yes, I blindly took the vaccine.

If I'm reading you right, I should have listened to fringe conspiracy kooks on the Qanon side of the web instead. No thanks, Amigo.

[javadog]

More reading, to stir up the idiots:

https://americasfrontlinedoctors.org/frontlinenews/information-security-expert-on-revealed-pfizer-agreements-theres-good-reason-pfizer-fought-to-hide-the-details-of-these-contracts/

[Sooner or later]

What would you expect a contract to say?

Pfizer and Albania agreed to a deal. You agree to pay us x amount and we will gear up production to supply you with the vaccine.

If other methods of treatment are found you still owe us for the cost of the product you contractually agreed to buy.

No company in their right mind would agree to spend tons of money for supply and then give an out if something might possibly be found in the future. No country would say screw ya, we will wait and see if some magical cure pops up in the future.

Another big nothing burger.

[javadog]

If that's all you got out of it, fine.

Tell me, what is it that you do for a living?

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by javadog

If that's all you got out of it, fine.

Tell me, what is it that you do for a living?

I managed a grocery store in the late 70's. I was the process expert for all of North America in tire manufacturing. I then owned a small wholesale business. I retired at 55. Not that any of that matters.

There is nothing there that would stop development or approval of other methods of care. The US has issued EUA on other treatments. There will be more issued in the future since there are 1000's of trials and studies that are ongoing.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

I was the process expert for all of North America in tire manufacturing.

Who did you work for then?

What was your field of study in college?

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by javadog

Who did you work for then?

What was your field of study in college?

Goodyear. Math and business.

[javadog]

The third paragraph of this got my attention.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7645850/

[javadog]

https://web.musc.edu/about/news-center/2021/08/05/a-covid19-biomarker

[island911]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

mRNA has been used in numerous trials going back about 10 years.

"We have never tried an mRNA vaccine in humans before" is an inaccurate statement.

Clearly. I mean 28 people tested a couple years back.

And now, 2 years later, we have hundreds of millions tested with the mRNA.

"There simply cannot be any near term nor long term ill effects because too many have gotten it." is also an inaccurate statement.