The vaccine

[island911]

And if we extrapolate that graph we will have a million per 100k by next month /sarc

[island911]

I truly do not see how this virus is not running out of people to infect.

Prior to the vaccine we had about 50% exposed to the virus. Now we add in that over 50% have gotten the vaccine (some of those people had been exposed)

We have 36million confirmed (USA) with 0.6 million deaths. (mostly over 80 with other issues)

The great news is that this will pass and vast majority of us will live to die of something else.

[black73]

Originally Posted by astrochex

Because truth and accuracy don’t matter? Nice.

Not to the infected. Treat them like the lepers that they are. Maybe create a colony for them.... Florida perhaps?

Being nice and polite gets you nowhere in the demographic of the infected.

It's crazy that the same people that will not do the one thing that will end the pandemic complain about the pandemic not ending.

[gordner]

Originally Posted by Tobra

They are liars, you have been lied to.

The jab will be mandatrd for everyone by the federal government before the end of next month, would that make you happy?

No it won't, there will be a mandate that accommodates those who decline it. As all to date have.

The sky is not falling chicken little.

[David]

Only about 10% of the US was infected or about 34 mil. This matches up pretty well with my personnel observations that about 10% of my friends and co-workers have gotten covid.

191 mil have gotten at least 1 shot. So 225 mil have some form of protection against the virus leaving about 107 mil without protection.

There is a large part of the population who cannot build immunity to the virus even with the vaccine due to medical issues where the body just doesn't build enough antibodies.

So these 107 mil are not only risking their own health but also those people who are most at risk because their bodies can't fight it.

If there was this attitude about polio, we would have never gotten rid of polio.

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by David

Only about 10% of the US was infected or about 34 mil. This matches up pretty well with my personnel observations that about 10% of my friends and co-workers have gotten covid.

191 mil have gotten at least 1 shot. So 225 mil have some form of protection against the virus leaving about 107 mil without protection.

There is a large part of the population who cannot build immunity to the virus even with the vaccine due to medical issues where the body just doesn't build enough antibodies.

So these 107 mil are not only risking their own health but also those people who are most at risk because their bodies can't fight it.

If there was this attitude about polio, we would have never gotten rid of polio.

The number of known cases is far less than actual cases.

[pavulon]

Originally Posted by black73

It's crazy that the same people that will not do the one thing that will end the pandemic complain about the pandemic not ending.

Could easily be the signature line for any rational person but would quickly be ridiculed as "virtue signalling" or other non-sense.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by island911

. . .

Oh, and obviously I have enough visibility here... people do not need to be advised by your petulant butt-hurt propaganda. -Some here are informed/entertained by what I post, others not. -imagine my shock- But what most everyone loathes are the low-brow poo-flinging posts.

I'm a fan (#nohomo ), even though you and I disagree plenty.

I don't get the, "he's a troll/dick" accusations (something which is actually very commonly tossed around by a select few members, toward those that they take issue with, that apparently only want to read points of view that they are in agreement with - not talking about Speeder - a ridiculous attitude, but one that is always good for a point-&-laugh, though); you don't come off as either of those, to me, but maybe that is because I don't take this forum stuff too seriously (or maybe because I don't go out of my way to antagonize you, other than some jokes from time to time). #whiteknightinglikeabiitch!

[upsscott]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

Meanwhile…the infection rate went up dramatically consistent with mask use. Now we see the infection rate rapidly going up along side the increasing vaccination rate.

Gee…whatever happened to things like science? And math? Once the Fauci-lovers mantra. Now, despite the science (data), it’s become all emo. Shut up and get the shot…while wearing your little paper mask…and quit asking questions!

So much for science.

I think Island posted something about infection going up dramatically alongside the use of masks. Does this have to do with masks not working or a lack of therapeutics or a lack of beds or ventilators? The same can be said about vaccines. Vaccinated folks aren’t getting the virus at near the rate of the unvaccinated. They definitely aren’t getting as sick. It seems the correlation may be poor decision making and planning, not masks and vaccines.

[island911]

Here's a fun fact: 90% of people over 65 y/o have been vaccinated. - That makes sense.

What does not make sense is those Karens insisting that EVERYONE must be vaccinated. They care not if people have natural immunity from having gone thru CV. They don't care if they are 13 years old. They simply stomp and insist that their fear (even though they are vaccinated) is more important than any individual's decision. -so much for "my body, my choice." The Karens simply shriek with terror. "that 20 y/o (who had covid last year) might infect his college professor! - MANTATORY JAB for ALL !!" (pay no attention to every prof is likely vaccinated, if he/she wants to be.)

[island911]

Originally Posted by upsscott

I think Island posted something about infection going up dramatically alongside the use of masks. Does this have to do with masks not working or a lack of therapeutics or a lack of beds or ventilators? The same can be said about vaccines. Vaccinated folks aren’t getting the virus at near the rate of the unvaccinated. They definitely aren’t getting as sick. It seems the correlation may be poor decision making and planning, not masks and vaccines.

Again, with aerosolized spikey virus that floats in the air, puny little porous masks give only the illusion of close proximity safety. Some took a WAG at distance and spittle... but AGAIN, this CV did not move so quickly via spittle. But, to be fair to what masks can do, My guess is, they will temporarily decrease the CV cloud sphere from 20' down to 19'-7.375"

Would you go to a theater and sit next to someone shedding covid, as long as they were sporting a Hello Kitty mask from Target?

Thing is, there is no positive data on the efficacy of masks, in part because the type of masks vary greatly. --Have you noticed?... ZERO CV mask standards? Any worn and torn POS will do. Unless you are one of these guys.

[techman1]

Question for those like island911 and others who appear to have more...information than I.

What caused the drop in cases earlier in the year? The masks or the vaccine?

What caused the recent spike? Not wearing masks or the return to crowded conditions?

[island911]

Distance.

I worked thru the whole thing. Judging by traffic loads, and the ghost-town of an office, when people spent less time intermingling the infection rates went down.

When the "ok, wear a mask and then everything is cool"... rates went up. (in general. hot spots did move around)

[javadog]

Cases eventually drop on their own, that’s the nature of the virus.

There can be spikes in the case rate in subsequent months, as a result of variations (mutations) of the virus.

None of this is new and it occurs independently of masking, vaccination and all the other bull****. Scientist know all of this, so why are you guys being fed bad information? Are the scientists not on your side?

[island911]

Dr F'ouchy controls massive amounts of grant money. Few dare cross him.

[techman1]

Is that correlation or a causality?
Big difference.

[island911]

Originally Posted by techman1

Is that correlation or a causality?
Big difference.

correlation is always the first step to establishing causation.

And, for my purposes I do not need proof of causation. - which is next to impossible with an invisible virus. Statistical models will be the best we can do.

[techman1]

Nope. Correlation is the first step to proposing a hypothesis.

Causation is thru research. Something I can't do.

I would assume the CDC and other research venues can.

[island911]

Originally Posted by techman1

Nope. Correlation is the first step to proposing a hypothesis.

Causation is thru research. Something I can't do.

I would assume the CDC and other research venues can.

Why would you assume that?

[techman1]

Definitely " other research venues" it is what they do.

Also the CDC, but not sure if they actually do research or farm it out.

Me:
"Nope. Correlation is the first step to proposing a hypothesis.

Causation is thru research. Something I can't do.

I would assume the CDC and other research venues can."

Didn't say anything about if they did, are doing or would do. Only guessing "They can".