Force it on them, unknowingly.

The real consequence for those not getting the vaccine will be them joining hard immunity the "other" way.

So we are now deciding the punishment for those who don't blindly comply with a CDC suggestion to take an experimental vaccine, to reduce the severity of a virus ? It doesn't keep anyone from getting, or spreading the virus (even the far superior folks who have been vaccinated) ?

Stomach: I guess this is where I'm at with the state of things. I don't give a rats a$$ of what people do or don't do. Everybody is dug in. I'm going to look out for me.

I am old enough to be included to get in line at school to get polio and smaellpox shots in the 1950s. It was a unified effort, a national cause. I don't get it - but we a have personal choice and freedom card that is pulled. The freedom card is a dog whistle to me.

Finally, the ultimate truth are the over 600K who have lost their lives and how that is affected their families.

A mandatory date with Rosie O'Donnell with sex being required? That'd get most men to get the vaccine and probably 90% of the women too.

If the vaccines works, what are you worried about?

If not, then seal the boarder, restrict travel to/from other countries and start lock downs again. Can't be too careful when the dig whistle blows.

Yes? BTW, what is COVID death rate for a 30 year-old with no co-morbidity factors?

Unconstitutional. Cruel and unusual punishment,

100% among those infected. ;)

Pretty much where I am now. If I need a hospital and it's full up with non-vaxed covid patients I'll just have to deal with it. The chances are low that need a hospital, and if it happens it's just part of life.

I hear it too. "Freedom" and "Rights" are dog whistles that just mean, "F$ck you, I've got mine" to too many Americans.
I think our founding fathers didn't bother with a Bill of Responsibilities when they created a Bill of Rights because they assumed US citizens would feel a sense of responsibility to each other if they were going to make our democracy work.
Looks like they overestimated Americans.
Sometime since the 1950s people decided exercise of their "rights" was all our country needed to survive. So few people feel any sense of responsibility to their fellow citizens these days. It's sad, and I think it's another rung on the ladder down to the demise if this great experiment in democracy.

He said, "I don't give a rats a$$ of what people do or don't do," so I'd say he isn't worried about a whole lot.

Since the unvaccinated are more likely to become severely ill and maybe die.

I feel bad about those who literally can not take a vaccine for medical reasons. But they are in the minority from what I've read. Most anti-vaxers are political extremists and/or conspiracy nuts and as far as they're concerned I'm OK if the consequence of their choice is illness and/or death. It's their choice.

I asked him what he is worried about concerning the virus, not his GAS Meter. If the vaccines are effective, what are his concerns?

I recommend we shut down the border, restrict travel to/from countries outside our borders, issue state-by-state travel restrictions, and isolate all those who have not gotten the vaccine, including the majority of blacks and hispanics in this country.

Ready?

There is one category which you failed to mention, that of people that have done a little deeper dive into the vaccine and found it to be wanting. These people are neither extremists nor conspiracy nuts, they’re just simply concerned about their health and smart enough to do a little due diligence before submitting to groupthink.

If you think that these vaccines are as effective as your natural immunity or without side effects for everyone concerned, not counting those few where the side effects are severe, then you just haven’t done any homework. That is your right, just don’t criticize those that have done so, for they might be proven to be smarter than you, in the end.

Thinking for yourself might not be familiar to you, but rest assured, it’s business as usual for a significant percentage of the population.

Anyone who looks seriously at your rationalizations really needs to look at your all time best thread. Puts it all into perspective. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-discussions/1098838-okay-i-initially-thought-unadulterated-bs-how-about-experiment.html

we have to listen to the smugness of those that got it.

we also have to deal with the idiotic statement that we are endangering the lives of those that got it.

Nope. I'm vaccinated and so are all my friends and my family - except for my brother and his wife's political tribe. I'm even at the point of no longer worrying about them. Sometimes all you can do is love someone.
As I said, I feel bad about those who literally can not take a vaccine for medical reasons. But those who are anti-vaxers motivated by political and/or conspiracy nuts I'm OK if the consequence of their choice is illness and/or death. Their choice has little affect on me and it's their choice.

There is an old story about a man who was caught in a flood.
He was sitting on his front porch when a police car came tearing down the street warning everyone, "Evacuate immediately. The dam is about to break and the town would soon be flooded".
Guy on the porch said, "No. I believe in God's Providence. He will protect me."
A couple hours later he is sitting on his second story window sill with flood water lapping at his feet.
Some men came along in a boat and said, "Hop in the boat! We'll take you to safety!"
Guy in the window said, "No. I believe in God's Providence. He will protect me."
A couple hours later he is sitting on the peak of his roof with the flood water up to his knees.
A helicopter came by and dropped a rope. "Grab onto the rope and we'll take you to safety!"
Guy on the roof said, "No. I believe in God's Providence. He will protect me."
Pretty soon the guy was swept away by the flood and drowned.
When he got to heaven he asked God, "God, I believed in you and trusted you and thought you would protect me. Why did you abandon me in my hour of need?"
God said, "ABANDON?? I sent you a warning, a boat, and a helicopter, what the hell do you want??

So my attitude is that God has tried to help these people and if they don't want to accept the help they'll have to meet Him and talk to Him about it personally. I'm out.

Right away, the leftys on here love to toss out he whole "nut-con", "Trumper", anti vax conspiracy bull s..t. I have plenty of friends in the health care and first responder field that are flaming liberals , that are totally against getting jabbed, and it has ZERO to do with conspiracy or politics.

Funny.....I brought "camps" last year in a thread and got shat on. This thread has multiple references from internment to execution. The poll shows 18% in agreement for that option.

How times change.....

I don't think this virus, or the rushed vaccine are from God, they are from business men who stand to profit from it.

If God chooses to take me, just know that I will be in a much better place, so no worries.

So, you just want to yap about it, not take concrete steps?

How can you allow vaccinated illegal imagrents to stream into our country and be bused to other states?

Start there...easy day.

The really ignorant part is the fact that Trump was largely responsible for facilitating the rapid development of these vaccines and he is vaccinated. Yet, most liberals think that if you supported Trump, you’re more likely to resist a vaccine because of that.

These dumbasses can’t think, even for a minute.

Well, of course you do. Still "leading" your guys down that path?
Hopefully, your employer and the people you're paid to protect are going to change that for you.

So, you don't think your ancestors came in as refugees?

How did that work out for the indigenous Indian population?

Um, you just called yourself out? "One of the main factors driving differences in COVID-19 vaccination rates across the country is partisanship."
Not like it's some sort of big mystery but it iust be in your world.
https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/the-red-blue-divide-in-covid-19-vaccination-rates-is-growing/

What are you doing about it? Besides yapping, of course.

Not well as we brought disease without vaccinations?

I'm cool with them accepting the consequences of their decisions, also.
Everybody is dug in. Do what you feel like you have to do and good luck.

Yeah same with the champion of smaller government and “you can’t tell us what to do” Abbott in Texass.

Fix the grid Greg.

Thank you for injecting your self righteous smugness, and concern for tbe people we protect......

Being that i pretty much run my dept, I listen to the consensus of tbe people under me, and take tbeir input very seroius. My "employer has stated that they have no intention of making it mandatory.

bs...
why should citizens give a rats anymore as illegals rule...
as many of those elected have either abdicated..
or willfully ignore or choose to enforce our current laws..


Rika

It took 20 years to develop the "rushed" vaccine. mRNA was a well developed product by 2019. All they had to do was plug in the COVID 19 genome.

so the illegals can have better A/C..
f'k that and them..
any $$ Texas has it's going towards the border dumpster fire...

Rika

See that's the problem with you guys.

You'll cut off your nose to spite your face.

Let's put the entirety of the population at risk because there may be a portion who shouldn't benefit.

****ing brilliance.

You deserve a Nobel Prize for that.

Fixing real problems doesn't get your face on Fox, so not likely he's going to fix the grid. He'll keep doing relatively inconsequential things that keep people riled up and keep him on TV.
Illegals!! Voter Fraud!!! AHHHHHH!!!

Seahawk,

I'm not worried about the vaccine. I don't care what anyone else does. No judgment here.

How about restricting travel to hot areas in the USA, or instituting a national effort similar to small pox and polio? Not going to happen, is it ( the country is at 48%).

I don't think those who lost their lives to Covid and their families worry about the death rate statistics of age groups. I'm sure many thought it wouldn't happen to them

my problem is I came from a place that f'k it up..
along with killing a bunch of folks for the good of other's...
I've seen the old camps..
know folks with that tattoo..
and other's who wore that uniform to put them there..

I love this country..
sad to see it die..

Rika

Covid is not small pox or polio...

But the differences could not be starker. Nearly 30,000 out of 100,000 of those that contracted smallpox died of smallpox. Less than 110 out of 100,000 of those who contracted Covid-19 died of Covid-19. Further, the smallpox vaccine had been developed over a hundred years before 1900 and its benefits and side effects were well known.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/08/why_i_refuse_to_be_vaccinated.html