Go find the press conference with Jen Psaki the other day, where she lets the cat out of the bag that the administration is working with private companies behind the scenes on how to verify vaccination compliance. If private companies didn’t mandate vaccination, there would be no reason to verify compliance. You do the math.

Funny... Vaccine vaccine vaccine...

And yet: https://health.ucsd.edu/news/releases/Pages/2020-09-23-statins-reduce-covid-19-severity-likely-by-removing-cholesterol-virus-uses-to-infect.aspx

Hat tip to Chocaholic.

What ever happened to civic responsibility
 

What is going to happen is that non-vaccinated people are going to be the breeding ground for the next level virus mutation that is makes fully vaccinated folks sick as well and all of us are going back into lock down or worse!

So be a member of society, take responsibility for not just yourself but for the greater good of all people (just like your forefathers who signed up to fight the nazis) and get freaking vaccinated.

It would seem like having private businesses handle the mandate part would be the only way to install a mandate. It’s kind of similar to what California is doing with gun control measures. They’ve abandoned for the most part, going after the guns. It’s much easier to go after the ammo. The feds would never be able to mandate a vaccine completely but if you want to continue working for your employer? Well, take the jab.

Wow!

So.. " the next level virus mutation" will be found only in nonvaccinated (Nazis) but not found in the vaccinated (the most pure and virtuous good guys) . .. until . . it is mutated, at which point it will kill the vaccinated. (and so we must kill the unvaccinated like they are the Nazis that they are.)

Do I have your bucket of random rusted bolts sorted right there?

You just dropped another package, UPS.

I thought my idea was pretty well formed. The virus is the enemy, we should all agree to act as a society to take collective action to protect what we cherish even though it may make us uncomfortable or possible put ourselves at risk.

That is what our forefathers did when signing up to go to war. They thought about neighbors, their kids, their wives and the broader communities futures and stepped forward acknowledging the risks.

I think the analogy is a pretty good one. If we get the vaccination rate up (which take individuals making the tough choice to get in line and take a personal risk by getting the shot), we can reduce the likelihood of this virus mutating. Vaccination reduces the virus' ability to replicate. Its in replication that mutations occur.

My 14 year old had the guts to risk rare side effects to "do the right thing" and he HATES needles.

I have been pretty chill up till now, but I'm starting to get really frustrated by the "contentious objectors" in this fight against the virus.

What if the vaccines end up being worse for your overall health long-term than the threat of Covid?

Are you going to regret having been vaccinated?

^^^ If I didn't have covid prior, I may be on your side. However, it appears I'm better off than you.

Why don't you stuff yourself in a cooler to avoid it? You and I have the same choice. I think you chose wrong.

java, not aimed at you.

What other experimental vaccinations are you willing to volunteer your children for? Just ones for diseases that rarely affect/kill children or any the all-knowing government might choose to mandate?

Nope, I'm going to hold my chin up and think about how I did the right thing at the time and contributed to saving lives and peoples livelihoods.

Again it goes back to "me" vs. "us".

At some point you have to decide if you have a civic responsibility in this life and what risks you might take to protect others.

You are walking down the street and you see a guy beating the crap out of a woman...do you call the cops and maybe try to intervene or do you figure...well its not wife or daughter...so how does it effect me.

Or maybe you are on the Titanic.....do you shove the old woman aside to get into the life raft?

These are extreme cases, but they illustrate what it means to put others welfare ahead of your own even if it means stepping into the unknown.

So there have been 4.36 Billion Covid vaccinations administered...and you are still calling this an experimental vaccine?

Just because a government agency says you should do something, doesn't make it wrong.

In fact its often right

Drunk Driving
Seat Belts
Smoke Alarms
Building Codes
Food inspections

That is some of the finest virtue signaling that I have seen in a long while. How exactly does vaccinating your child save humanity when transmission to and from children is quite rare? Are you going to allow take every other vaccine available (Anthrax, Cholera, Hepatitis A, Japanese Encephalitis, Polio, Rabies, Typhoid, Hepatitis A & B, Smallpx, Yellow Fever?)

That is what the folks that make it call it. It is only approved for emergency use in the United States.

Luckily I don’t touch many packages anymore. Care to answer my question?

I see a rise in vaccinations, I see a rise in vaccinated people. No correlation to be spoken of.

Sending me to the cellar, outstanding idea! Well, I'm not going, but I will keep on going, and if I have to wear a mask to appease the public, I will.

You probably should have done a little more due diligence before getting poked.

I hope that what is possibly going to be a problem for those vaccinated isn't as bad as it might be but I'm not confident that it won't.

The real riony will be if the vaccinations make the Covid problem worse, not better.

There's a reason that they've had problems developing vaccines for viruses...

At the very least, get off of the soapbox. Whether you end up being virtuous, or a chump, neither is a good look for you.

Dude, vaccinated people are dying. The unvaccinated seem to be fine. Do you have facts supporting otherwise?

The vaccinated are the problem in mine eyes, you got shot up, then you spread it, and it didn't work. Major backfire.

Tinfoil hat crew...got it

You're preaching to the stupid. They have WAY too much invested in their bet right now to question their decision, or the science.

All I know is that there is a growing chorus of people with Covid19, right now, who are making FB videos from their hospital beds imploring people to get vaccinated. Some of the videos are from people who have died since making them, (sometimes the next day), and none of them look particularly old. Lots of middle-aged, none elderly.

The big lie from the beginning coming from the right is that this virus is nothing but a cold, it's the flu, etc... All not only lies but really dangerous lies that affect people's behavior and help with the spread of it. The anti-maskers, (we have a big one here), telling people that masks don't help prevent the spread of an aerosol virus and now telling people not to get vaccinated.

You can talk to anyone with a moderate to severe case of Covid right now and almost any of them will say that they wish they took the shot. The supposed, mostly BS risks from the vaccine are positively dwarfed by the risks of catching Covid19.

.0001%. Breakthrough cases are normal. What is not normal is not protecting yourself and then *****ing about those who do.

While I am fine with my decision to take the vaccine based on my age and health, I might have felt differently if of childbearing age and certainly would for young children (if I had any).

While people very sick with COVID may regret not being vaccinated and family members of those that died/became very sick after vaccination might regret their decision...I would not allow people making facebook videos convince me either way.

One look at the survivability/mortality of unvaccinated, healthy people tells me that is truly not nearly as dangerous to that group as people here pretend...and clearly the silly homemade masks do nothing except provide a basis for more virtue signaling.

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I wasn't *****ing about anything. I shared my opinion on who I think the spreaders are, and what transpired in my life. I am free, don't lock me down, lock your own self down if you are afraid.

However, I shall reserve the privilege to kick your ass.

Damned me?

This is the most internet tough guy post I have ever seen.

Then you have been sheltered greatly.

Here are a few things I simply do not understand:

- Why isn't the "science" of those who have had CV-19, either asymptomatic or with symptoms, better understood in terms of immunity? We were all told that the actual rate of CV-19 was many millions more than were symptomatic. This is from January: https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19

- Why would anyone get the vaccine without first getting a blood test for CV-19 immunity - I did. I have an odd immunity system where vaccines are concerned so I followed "the science" of me and worked with my physician: we decided to get the blood test. I am delighted I did.

- The "numbers", the "science". It has been a mess, a hodgepodge of crap from the beginning. I can bring up ten videos of contradictory statements from Fauci, erroneous data and, frankly, complete lies in terms of CV-19 origin, morbidity, etc.

- Death rates from CV-19. Anyone have reliable numbers? No one does because we do not know how many people, like me, that have had CV-19 with zero symptoms. I may have had a runny nose.

Here: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/covid19/mortality-overview.htm

So why, if you are 30 and below, get the vaccine? If you are so inclined at least get the blood test first.

- Does the vaccine work? I read the numbers, the percentages, but how do they know? What are the methodologies for gathering the data, the health of those vaccinated, etc. One poster here wrote that they filled out a form during the drive through vaccine. That passes zero sniff tests on relevant collection of data for analysis. Zero.

- If it does work, why are the vaccinated worried? Can anyone here explain that?

Sorry for the long post but nothing about CV-19, including the "Delta Variant" has made any sense from the beginning.

Oh, close the f'ing border if you are remotely serious about CV and the variants.

Close the border. now.

Oh no you didnt!

Alright! Finally, I got an award!

It's just a participation trophy for showing up :D

I do show up half of the time for practice, but get subbed in once in awhile on game day. Can you cut mine in half?;)

I’ve been down the Internet tough guy road before. So I won’t go there. Carry on with unmasking and antivaxing. Don’t let me stop you.

Worth a look:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(21)00069-0/fulltext?s=09

He could easily kick your ass.

He has traveled to North Canton three times to fight me. I have won two out of three times.

The one time I lost was because I had Birkenstocks on and I did not strap the back and I slipped. He kicked me in the face like seven times.

Then we got beers. All good.

Some day, I might travel to Canton just to give you a hug. It would be a lot easier if you moved to somewhere I actually want to go, however. :)

Sorta like college club rugby then :).

And hell naw I didn't play ... I ain't that stooopid, but the post game parties were a hoot!

You have the floor, provide me with information which is contrary to my opinion.

Don't make me come kick you in the ass.

Hey, Denis, still looking for a FJ? It's a 62, last year made...

From JD's post:

Unfortunately, comparing vaccines on the basis of currently available trial (interim) data is made even more difficult by disparate study protocols, including primary endpoints (such as what is considered a COVID-19 case, and when is this assessed), types of placebo, study populations, background risks of COVID-19 during the study, duration of exposure, and different definitions of populations for analyses both within and between studies, as well as definitions of endpoints and statistical methods for efficacy. Importantly, we are left with the unanswered question as to whether a vaccine with a given efficacy in the study population will have the same efficacy in another population with different levels of background risk of COVID-19. This is not a trivial question because transmission intensity varies between countries, affected by factors such as public health interventions and virus variants.

Any of you tough guys want to answer my questions?

BTW, the single largest "super spreader" event is happening on the border. Close it or you simply don't care about the future of the human race.

Apparently, none of this is a concern anymore. Today, Biden told the world that 350 million Americans were now vaccinated and doing fine, which is more than 100% of us.

So I guess some people got vaccinated twice. Just in case.

In any event his comments have assured me that we don’t need to worry about the unvaccinated anymore. Everybody’s got the jab, Biden said so.

Only 350 Americans have been vaccinated? Damn, I thought it was more than that.