EV cars

[island911]

"Say no to gasoline
Go 100% electric"

[Honda (gas) generator humming along side.]

That's funny right thar.

[Nick Triesch]

I can see it now …in 2032, For sale, 1972 Porsche 911. Restored in 2023. Can drive once a month only at vintage racing track in Palm Springs California . $2500 firm.

[MrBonus]

Originally Posted by island911

Point is, electric cars need to be charged.

and where do they turn for that power?

Honda.

Well, sometimes...

But mostly they turn to petro, while claiming to be running on good intentions and unicorn farts.

Obviously, pushing both consumers and energy companies towards renewable sources is part of the path towards going carbon neutral.

I don't think anyone believes buying an EV alone is anything more than a nod towards reducing their carbon footprint.

[MrBonus]

Originally Posted by Nick Triesch

I can see it now …in 2032, For sale, 1972 Porsche 911. Restored in 2023. Can drive once a month only at vintage racing track in Palm Springs California . $2500 firm.

I think it's cool to see the steam powered cars come out for some of the bigger local car shows.

[island911]

Stanley Steamers were the fast cars of the day.

Originally Posted by MrBonus

Obviously, pushing both consumers and energy companies towards renewable sources is part of the path towards going carbon neutral.

I don't think anyone believes buying an EV alone is anything more than a nod towards reducing their carbon footprint.

"carbon neutral" "renewable sources"

Such propaganda.

Carbon is a "renewable source" and the carbon cycle is always balancing to "carbon neutral"

You do know that life depends on carbon, right?

[1990C4S]

Originally Posted by Deschodt

And forcing this with an electrical grid that cannot handle today's needs (and nuclear plants being shutdown, presumably to be replaced by unicorn fart plants), probably not clever...

This statement is trotted out here so often that it has become accepted wisdom. It is false. Grid expansion of about 10% per year will be adequate, and that's noit unachievable. On top of that, the capacity of the EV's can bolster the grid during peak demand, rather than hurt it.

Originally Posted by Deschodt

Government edicts have resulted in most manufacturers stoppiing development and research on the ICE - hah, ICE on ice, and a lot of developed countries have a 2030-35 mandates to not make gas cars anymore, a lot of big cities will be banned to gasoline cars earlier than that. They may not force it on you today, but it's the same idea as California SMOG standards forcing the hands of manufacturers all over the US. You wanna sell everywhere ? you abide by the most stringent standard. It IS happening. The question is how long will gas be legal... I fear for my classics, on one hand they might retain value as fun toys from a bygone era, on the other all it takes one motivated politician and the stroke of a pen and they are banned ("they're coming for my car!!!" might happen before the gun thing ;-) I have hopes that the USA with its "particular" freedom culture and geographical imperatives will resist longer. Probably not California though.

True ICE engine development stopped a long time ago. We see incremental changes and minor updates. No one is building new plants and designing all new engines because there is no value in it, no return. The future state isn't just driven by regulations, it's driven by money.

[MrBonus]

Originally Posted by island911

Stanley Steamers were the fast cars of the day.

"carbon neutral" "renewable sources"

Such propaganda.

Carbon is a "renewable source" and the carbon cycle is always balancing to "carbon neutral"

You do know that life depends on carbon, right?

I'd love to argue this but you can simply read the IPCC report issued today regarding the direction of mean temperatures over the next two decades and how that will affect human life for the coming generation.

[island911]

Originally Posted by MrBonus

I'd love to argue this but you can simply read the IPCC report issued today regarding the direction of mean temperatures over the next two decades and how that will affect human life for the coming generation.

Yeah, nothing political there. - Carbon credits for sale!

Hey, did you know that the sun increases in size as it burn mass and gravity decreases. And that no matter what we do this planet will be cooked by the sun?

[MrBonus]

Originally Posted by island911

Yeah, nothing political there. - Carbon credits for sale!

Hey, did you know that the sun increases in size as it burn mass and gravity decreases. And that no matter what we do this planet will be cooked by the sun?

I guess if you easily dismiss scientific consensus as political propaganda, we have nothing of substance to discuss.

[island911]

Originally Posted by MrBonus

I guess if you easily dismiss scientific consensus as political propaganda, we have nothing of substance to discuss.

People who use "scientific consensus" for their argument have no clue as to what is science and what is political push.

[MrBonus]

Originally Posted by island911

People who use "scientific consensus" for their argument have no clue as to what is science and what is political push.

Oh okay.

[island911]

Political funding and aggregation is what drives "scientific consensus" w.r.t. AGW.

If you can not see that you are a fool.

[thor66]

Originally Posted by MrBonus

I'd love to argue this but you can simply read the IPCC report issued today regarding the direction of mean temperatures over the next two decades and how that will affect human life for the coming generation.

I don't think he has the ability.

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by MrBonus

This is the perfect solution fallacy. There is no simple or easy fix and the shift to EVs are going to require careful infrastructure planning.

There are no perfect solutions but a push to mandating EVs is a perfectly BAD solution.

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by William930t

The most convenient time to charge your EV should be overnight in the garage,

Tell that to people who don't have a garage.

[Gogar]

If you're gonna argue about carbon and coal and the grid might as well start arguing about how much lithium there is and where it's located.

[Scott R]

I know it will sound hypocritical, but I have two EV’s and I charge at home. I also own a few apartment buildings with carports. I can safely say at this time that I am not going to retrofit any of the carports or spaces for charging,

The cost is extreme compared to current rents. Sidewalks needs to be dug out, electric services need to be upgraded, construction, permits, inspections. It’s endless.

And what is my return? Do I raise rents on everyone else? Maybe I wait for city subsidies?

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by MrBonus

I'd love to argue this but you can simply read the IPCC report issued today regarding the direction of mean temperatures over the next two decades and how that will affect human life for the coming generation.

Someone needs to sit down with you and explain the difference between correlation and causation.
Based on our current conversation, I have decided that I have neither the time nor the crayons to explain it to you.

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by island911

If you can not see that you are a fool.

He can't see it.

[Tervuren]

It is worth noting that if one were to pay attention to IPCC meetings this unified accurate consensus doesn't exist.
But there are votes on stuff and funding does tend to create papers with a particular view point as the headline.
There are lots of interesting things, such as solar activity predictions are voted on after a solar cycle has already started and been observed.
This means that news organizations can headline predictive accuracy even when prior to our existing cycle starting climate models were working off a highly innacurrate next cycle prediction.

Weather plays an important but absent role in climate modeling causing predictive inaccurracy.
We will continue to look stupid via inaccurate predictions.
Backwards clock, can be right more than twice a day.
NY still isn't underwater yet...

People desiring power seem to have a dictating role in what gets published within their power spheres.
Then there are those willing to speak otherwise.
It isn't a unified block of consensus on what, when, how, etc...

In light of the hubris, the best thing to do is what makes economic sense in the meantime.
And do more research.