Vaccines are moving the needle...

[javadog]

I haven’t seen you link anything in this thread for the last several weeks, apart from the link to the IDPH portal.

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by javadog

I haven’t seen you link anything in this thread for the last several weeks, apart from the link to the IDPH portal.

Go back exactly one page.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by javadog

I haven’t seen you link anything in this thread for the last several weeks, apart from the link to the IDPH portal.

Originally Posted by cabmando

Go back exactly one page.

I did, the only link you posted on that page was the one I referenced above. This one:

Originally Posted by cabmando

https://dph.illinois.gov/covid19/vaccine/vaccine-breakthrough.html

That’s not a study. It’s just an accumulation of statistics by the IDPH. It’s the source for the data that I quoted just prior to that.

[Steve Carlton]

Third dose info.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02249-2/fulltext

Discussion
In this large observational study conducted using nationwide mass vaccination data in Israel, we estimated that a third dose of the BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 vaccine is effective in preventing severe COVID-19-related outcomes. Compared with two doses of the vaccine administered at least 5 months before, adding a third dose was estimated to be 93% effective in preventing COVID-19-related admission to hospital, 92% in preventing severe disease, and 81% in preventing COVID-19-related death, as of 7 or more days after the third dose.
Third-dose vaccine effectiveness against admission to hospital and severe disease was estimated to be similar between males and females, and between individuals aged 40–69 years and at least 70 years. In those aged 16–39 years, the rate of these severe outcomes was too small for meaningful estimation of the booster effectiveness. Effectiveness was also similar among groups defined by the number of comorbidities.
Most previous studies on this topic have focused on the antibody response elicited by the third dose of mRNA vaccines.5
, 6
, 7
Two recent studies from Israel reported on the effectiveness of the third dose in preventing clinical outcomes. The first study estimated a reduction of 92–97% in the risk for severe disease starting from day 12 after receipt of the third dose,19
but did not adjust for pre-existing clinical conditions related to the risk of severe disease, and did not evaluate the effectiveness within subgroups. A second study, which adjusted for various confounders and used a test-negative design, estimated a reduction of 70–84% in the probability of testing positive for SARS-CoV-2 among the vaccinated,20
but did not consider more severe outcomes.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2021/11/04/new-data-suggests-mrna-vaccines-work-best-as-a-three-dose-regimen/

Based on the same study linked above:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2021/11/04/new-data-suggests-mrna-vaccines-work-best-as-a-three-dose-regimen/




A third does was anticipated and is not uncommon. Polio vaccination is a 4 dose regimen. Odds are said to be good the third dose could be durable.

[mtnrat]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

Third dose info.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02249-2/fulltext

A third does was anticipated and is not uncommon. Polio vaccination is a 4 dose regimen. Odds are said to be good the third dose could be durable.

Bwaaahhaaaa. Oh yea durable with a coronavirus. LOL. Odds are...LOL. could be...LOL.

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

Third dose info.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02249-2/fulltext

Discussion
In this large observational study conducted using nationwide mass vaccination data in Israel, we estimated that a third dose of the BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 vaccine is effective in preventing severe COVID-19-related outcomes. Compared with two doses of the vaccine administered at least 5 months before, adding a third dose was estimated to be 93% effective in preventing COVID-19-related admission to hospital, 92% in preventing severe disease, and 81% in preventing COVID-19-related death, as of 7 or more days after the third dose.
Third-dose vaccine effectiveness against admission to hospital and severe disease was estimated to be similar between males and females, and between individuals aged 40–69 years and at least 70 years. In those aged 16–39 years, the rate of these severe outcomes was too small for meaningful estimation of the booster effectiveness. Effectiveness was also similar among groups defined by the number of comorbidities.
Most previous studies on this topic have focused on the antibody response elicited by the third dose of mRNA vaccines.5
, 6
, 7
Two recent studies from Israel reported on the effectiveness of the third dose in preventing clinical outcomes. The first study estimated a reduction of 92–97% in the risk for severe disease starting from day 12 after receipt of the third dose,19
but did not adjust for pre-existing clinical conditions related to the risk of severe disease, and did not evaluate the effectiveness within subgroups. A second study, which adjusted for various confounders and used a test-negative design, estimated a reduction of 70–84% in the probability of testing positive for SARS-CoV-2 among the vaccinated,20
but did not consider more severe outcomes.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2021/11/04/new-data-suggests-mrna-vaccines-work-best-as-a-three-dose-regimen/

Based on the same study linked above:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2021/11/04/new-data-suggests-mrna-vaccines-work-best-as-a-three-dose-regimen/




A third does was anticipated and is not uncommon. Polio vaccination is a 4 dose regimen. Odds are said to be good the third dose could be durable.

As long as the 3rd dose is the same dose as the one that was optimized for Alpha it's durability will be lacking again Delta.

[mtnrat]

Or Echo, Foxtrot, Golf etc etc etc.

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by mtnrat

Or Echo, Foxtrot, Golf etc etc etc.

Won't be any of them.

[Z-man]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

Ladies, ladies, please. Do I need to call in an adult moderator?

I'm reviewing the thread... please stand by...

[island911]

Thanks Z-man. - and Chocaholic.

[Z-man]

Moved back to OT. There is nothing PARFy here.

Carry on, keep it civil, and get the jab. Or don't get the jab. Eitherway, go drive your Porsche. Unless you got a bad reaction to the jab, then take it easy, drink lots of fluids (non-alcoholic) and enjoy this autumn weekend...

[upsscott]

Originally Posted by island911

the unvaccinated are the ones creating herd immunity while the "vaccinated" continue to become infected and pass it around. Wear yer mask!

This is ridiculous. I’m seeing many people in my orbit who are unvaccinated and are now getting the rona for the second time. I don’t know one person who is vaccinated who has had it twice. I also don’t know one person who is vaccinated who ended up in the hospital or had serious symptoms. You should stop with this herd immunity crap. The unvaccinated are not doing a thing to help us rid this pandemic except dying.

[upsscott]

Originally Posted by javadog

The numbers have changed over times, the percentage of the vaccinated getting sick and dying is larger today than it was a few months ago.

Hell, even that liar Fauci admits that much.

Sick at home and sick in the hospital getting oxygen and antibody infusion are two different things right?

[javadog]

Originally Posted by upsscott

Sick at home and sick in the hospital getting oxygen and antibody infusion are two different things right?

Yep.

Answer this question for me. What did so many patients with a positive test get told to go home and rest until they got to where they had breathing difficulties, then come back to the hospital?

Medical malpractice, in my opinion.

The key to beating this thing successful is to jump on it early and I do mean early.

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by javadog

Yep.

Answer this question for me. What did so many patients with a positive test get told to go home and rest until they got to where they had breathing difficulties, then come back to the hospital?

Medical malpractice, in my opinion.

The key to beating this thing successful is to jump on it early and I do mean early.

Because there were no treatments. There were theories about treatments that after studying those theories were proven not to be effective treatments. And with Regeneron, at the time it wasn't authorized to treat people who were not hospitalized.

[rfuerst911sc]

Had my yearly physical on Wednesday . Doc asked me if I wanted my booster shot . I asked his opinion .......... he gave his pitch and I rolled my sleeve up . Done . Life goes on .

[upsscott]

I’m tired of this argument. I feel like I’m choosing to do what protects me and those close to me. I work in a high risk job and I rarely wear a mask for whatever reason. I’ve yet to have Covid and I’m thankful for that. I also feel that due to the vaccine, if I get Covid my body will better be able to fight it off.

[Bob Kontak]

I had the J&J in March/April of this year. Sounds like it's wide open for the booster.

Which one since I can mix and match?

[pmax]

Originally Posted by javadog

Yep.

Answer this question for me. What did so many patients with a positive test get told to go home and rest until they got to where they had breathing difficulties, then come back to the hospital?

Medical malpractice, in my opinion.

The key to beating this thing successful is to jump on it early and I do mean early.

Here's a case in point where patients are advised they can't get the proven antibody treatment unless they are "at high risk for getting a severe infection".



Why are these still in short supply ?

[pmax]

Originally Posted by Z-man

Moved back to OT. There is nothing PARFy here.

Carry on, keep it civil, and get the jab. Or don't get the jab. Eitherway, go drive your Porsche. Unless you got a bad reaction to the jab, then take it easy, drink lots of fluids (non-alcoholic) and enjoy this autumn weekend...

Thanks.

Exile is a big hammer and good to see there's a more moderate resolution given many folks in this thread do not visit the leprosarium.