Vaccines are moving the needle...

[mdj930]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

I haven't looked at the interview, but I'm going to pass.

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/lawsuit-former-baylor-scott-white-doctor-used-title-spreading-covid-19-misinformation/287-314400fd-2489-44e2-acf1-da902e247ba4

https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/93936

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/07/vaccines-remain-largely-effective-against-delta-variant-counter-to-claims-from-fox-news-guest/

Yea I can't see how he still has a medical license. I guess speaking out about the failure of the medical community to treat covid patient's early was his last chance at success in medicine.

Your source's are hit piece's same with the law suit. I thought we were sharing ideas. Guess not.
I refuse to argue with a MSM true believe.
Mike

[Steve Carlton]

I'm not saying everything on MSM is the Gospel, but I'm satisfied for myself that they are reporting the news fairly and accurately for the most part. If that's a problem for you, that's fine.

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by island911

Not if you don't count the breakthroughs. Then you can pull a Sgt Schultz: "I see NOthing!!...

It's disappointing that the Delta variant has a lot of breakthroughs. It would be nice to not have to wear masks indoors. I think the most important result of the vaccines is the minimization of hospitalization and death. It sounds like for you a breakthrough is a failure and invalidates the need for vaccination. Have I got that right?

[speeder]

It would be awesome if the vaccine completely wiped Covid off the face of the earth immediately or even better if it just went away on its own. Neither of those things have occurred.

I would say that a close second would be if the vaccines rendered the virus to be mostly harmless wrt causing hospitalization, intubation and death. Under those conditions, it's been a smashing success. Hospitalizations and death have been almost exclusively confined to unvaccinated individuals, the only vaccinated people winding up in the hospital are probably extremely elderly.

Also, regarding the BS claims of people dying after taking the vaccine, how many of them were 85+ years old and died naturally with no connection to being vaccinated? We have some of the anti-vaxers here clamoring for better data and yet ignoring that about 100 million old people were given the vaccines first??

[Chocaholic]

Except the shot itself is not the main concern Denis. The main concern is the long term risk. Funny how the Vax-aholics (I just made that up) only want to point to immediate reactions. Yes, those are relatively few.

When you can tell me that afflictions like clotting, autoimmune, neurological, cardiac or cancer will not occur 5-10 years down the road as a direct or indirect result of the mRNA injections, all will be good. You’re free to ignore that very possible inconvenience, of course.

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

Accept the shot itself is not the main concern Denis. The main concern is the long term risk. Funny how the Vax-aholics (I just made that up) only want to point to immediate reactions. Yes, those are relatively few.

When you can tell me that clotting, autoimmune, neurological, cardiac or cancer will not occur 5-10 years down the road as a direct or indirect result of the mRNA injections, all will be good. You’re free to ignore that very possible inconvenience, of course.

Non mRNA J&J

[Chocaholic]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

Non mRNA J&J

Oh, are those the predominant types pushed here in the US? And FDA approved? And of course, that’s not an answer...it’s a subject change.

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

Oh, are those the predominant types pushed here in the US? And FDA approved? And of course, that’s not an answer...it’s a subject change.

"When you can tell me that clotting, autoimmune, neurological, cardiac or cancer will not occur 5-10 years down the road as a direct or indirect result of the mRNA injections, all will be good,"

It has EUA, just as Moderna and what Pfizer was under.

You specifically asked about long term complications due to mRNA injections. J&J is not mRNA.

If one has concerns about mRNA the J&J is an option.

And if you still have concerns on long term consequences on any new drug being brought out and on EUA then be consistent and be put Regen-Cov and other treatments that will surely come out in the future in the same boat.

[Sooner or later]

I am consistent. I will take the EUA Pfizer, Moderna, J&J, REGEN-COV, and other EUA products if recommended by my doctor. To date, she recommends all.

[cabmandone]

^^^
There's only one clear reason why.. Your doctor is part of the deep state trying to kill you! I'll bet if you shave your doctors head you'll find where the microchip was installed!

[island911]

Originally Posted by cabmando

^^^
There's only one clear reason why.. Your doctor is part of the deep state trying to kill you! I'll bet if you shave your doctors head you'll find where the microchip was installed!

Don't be ridiculous and pretend that strong mechanisms are not in place for doc's to simply pass along bad drugs.

Here's a list of some horrible drugs prescribed by doctors...

https://www.worldhealth.net/news/35-approved-prescription-drugs-later-pulled-market/

The efficacy of these vaccines has been coming up short (we were told 90%) - and the vaccines have the advantage of MANY vax'd having had covid (w/o knowing) and thus natural immunity.

[island911]

People who have had say the chicken pox are told not to get a chick pox vaccine as it may cause an over reaction.

Here we have a huge population who may have already had CV... "Get the jab! and then another. ...and another." Zero concern for effect on people who have natural immunity.

Moving goal post indeed.

[island911]

How many vaccines need a third booster?

How many vaccines put you at risk for contracting the disease months after a double dose?

Mumps? Measles? Rubella? Polio? Chickenpox? - any of those?

This move to a third jab is clearly telling us that the efficacy is in trouble. And again, that efficacy is bolstered by so many who have had CV and didn't know it. --Natural immunity in the population has been rising for nearly 2 years.

[john70t]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

If one has concerns about mRNA the J&J is an option.

The other mRNAs are being given in different dosages.
AstraZeneca is different.

The Science(tm) is all over the map....like spaghetti on the wall.

So which one is "The Vax"(tm)?

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by john70t

The other mRNAs are being given in different dosages.
AstraZeneca is different.

The Science(tm) is all over the map....like spaghetti on the wall.

So which one is "The Vax"(tm)?

Perhaps, I am misunderstanding what you are saying.
The other mRNA? There are 2 approved for US use. J&J is not mRNA. AZ is not mRNA and is not approved for US use.

All are vaccines.

[john70t]

mRNA is a gene modifier. Not a vaccine.

A genetic splicer pierces the core of the cell to modify the very identity of the organism.
A vaccine externally and passively exposes the immune system to something new.

(I know that narrative is desperately trying to be 'fixed' as we speak, but for the last half century the science has been settled)

[Steve Carlton]

“ mRNA vaccines teach our cells how to make a protein—or even just a piece of a protein—that triggers an immune response inside our bodies. The benefit of mRNA vaccines, like all vaccines, is those vaccinated gain protection without ever having to risk the serious consequences of getting sick with COVID-19.”

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mRNA.html?s_cid=11344:how%20do%20mrna%20vaccines%2 0work:sem.ga:RG:GM:gen:PTN:FY21

“ Contrary to claims on social media, COVID-19 vaccines using messenger RNA (mRNA) technology do not transform recipients from humans into “hybrids,” nor do they alter human DNA through nanotechnology. The Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines use a new mRNA technology involving the injection of a small part of the virus’s genetic code (RNA) to stimulate the recipient’s immune response. The mRNA does not alter the recipient’s DNA; it is broken down shortly after vaccination, and does not stay in the body.”

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSL1N2M61HW

[john70t]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

he Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines use a new mRNA technology involving the injection of a small part of the virus’s genetic code (RNA) to stimulate the recipient’s immune response. The mRNA does not alter the recipient’s DNA; it is broken down shortly after vaccination, and does not stay in the body.”

Doesn't that contradict it's very purpose?

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by john70t

Doesn't that contradict it's very purpose?

No

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by john70t

Doesn't that contradict it's very purpose?

I suppose once it has triggered the immune response it is no longer needed.
Plus COVID can’t kill you once you’ve been transformed into a zombie.