Vaccines are moving the needle...

[island911]

Yikes ^

Originally Posted by mdj930

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Riddle me this. Why are medical experts not starting treatment before hospitalization?
monoclonal antibodies have have proven to prevent hospitalization in 97.3% of cases.
The outrage should be lack of outpatient care.
Mike

There is a Billions $ pharma war going on. If treatment(s) are available some big pharma cash-cows wither. The "emergency use" falls away and kills that cow.

Has anyone seen how much big pharma spends to get doc's happy to push their drug? Billions and Billions are on the line here. Bribing a few perfunctionary doc's or CDC bureaucrats... piece of cake. EVERY treatment must be KILLED!

[VINMAN]

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Thank you!

[island911]

awe... did someone make an uncomfortable point? Sour grapes and walk away?

Because this sure the hell isn't a "best oil thread" or a " What metal/hardcore/punk are you listening to?" thread.

This is actually very important information here. --These vaccines are not working as expected. --durability is crap.

But at least we have the most deadly vaccine campaign ever.

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by island911

These vaccines are not working as expected. --durability is crap.

Do you think the vaccines help in terms of not getting seriously ill or dead an overwhelming percentage of the time?

[javadog]

I think the jury is still out on that question.

[Steve Carlton]

Any credible evidence of that?

[island911]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

Do you think the vaccines help in terms of not getting seriously ill or dead an overwhelming percentage of the time?

Which vaccines? If you can't be specific... Polio? Smallpox? There have been some life-changing vaccines. But just because something is called a vaccine does not necessarily make it helpful.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

Any credible evidence of that?

I haven’t seen a study that attempts to address all of the variables and answer the question. So, we don’t know.

Given all of the bull**** that has been put forth through this entire pandemic, the fact that they’re hyping that claim so much makes me really suspicious.

[island911]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

Here's an interesting article from today.

"How small are the chances of the average vaccinated American contracting Covid? Probably about one in 5,000 per day, and even lower for people who take precautions or live in a highly vaccinated community."..

And how small are the chances of the average unvaccinated American contracting Covid? Maybe about one in 5,000 per day, and even lower for people who take precautions or live in a highly naturally immune community? --look at Hawaii... Never built much natural immunity. So much dry timber to burn, so to speak.

NYT is lame.

[VINMAN]

Originally Posted by island911

awe... did someone make an uncomfortable point? Sour grapes and walk away?

Because this sure the hell isn't a "best oil thread" or a " What metal/hardcore/punk are you listening to?" thread.

This is actually very important information here. --These vaccines are not working as expected. --durability is crap.

But at least we have the most deadly vaccine campaign ever.

I don't know if this was directed at my post, but If you've ever read any of my other posts on this subject , you'd realize I'm on your side of the argument...

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[DaveE]

So the trump vaccines were as phony as he was? That’s hard to imagine.

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by javadog

I haven’t seen a study that attempts to address all of the variables and answer the question. So, we don’t know.

Given all of the bull**** that has been put forth through this entire pandemic, the fact that they’re hyping that claim so much makes me really suspicious.

if you listened to studies, you wouldnt be here in this thread, arguing what you are arguing.

[javadog]

This is an interesting data point.

https://watermark.silverchair.com/jiab421.pdf?token=AQECAHi208BE49Ooan9kkhW_Ercy7Dm3 ZL_9Cf3qfKAc485ysgAAAt4wggLaBgkqhkiG9w0BBwagggLLMI ICxwIBADCCAsAGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAeBglghkgBZQMEAS4wEQQM 1MDqVC2Z1g-2_tyOAgEQgIICkRsLI_rWVPw0AfEZ2y7rkAusQimOlI26Eeck2 ImICbUQKaquOsSSCVjerBQ_Sz1GkDwCnx_wZKcRmf0pew8aFQj fgO0T7kim790Afz09vY2FcZjbpJSLDV0H4PEWSs3caCORLTR_Q ZQj0LxDlXxzSj4hMNrkHiCLSWOz4NQt_1GoN-xGl082kOgGE9DlPC4jI_kg5Ecs-Ypo5evHozHGWzjJPBnveD3uBYEMKBs5r5r59z2J4PZrunQ7OMr tfUwuCyZm45fhO2VeIsP2mwWRGCr7HfqmKgQ3pxB3MzdTHjfnE ir4q-u9NhBgeen-giLxMO952MR4YzhdMCfSsG-R6jNeJfJk76iTrvOtJw6QygK0MGwCmYHnAukM1Tz94AHpTqBdS BxYQ547asJmMABVOuomRahtsLvo-5x1W640Xm96uea7A1fS_Z39Fcuyr9cOezGDLa1vydLqSt4wRJh ZvRjDrWPXRh6TJkfa5him3kq__CL2c4aZ3kkF44HTtqOyTUfSe TZuhewBBawTpaPEAqzn1BwkWngRvFPrsgnDvuTj-4fxqxPrFS33JYf6lVPLjbQOVhXcqLxTbGPbVuvQ7Gh2iROR74-sgJVSnm68vvx8C3VZXHi38IV3TuEWgNeN5sj7_lcjo040GkDO4-tn2CYWXTupsdm5B-l67WH1XteeK65CU7WHYL1kF9YZ3U-LbzE_0dKSfTLxSWSs_gbhhnUGT4Udr6k3Vbbeps0NwEEywcPHw RkRVTRoMXczZstNTf46WenNLHIaKrFG00o18EzlUTlnxpPNMtw ZVRoDgAJLB9PySZ_IOLdmafln6IW0IXlbJGkKe4nrCXPxSUX4L sWuiFYlnmJjbWYSOmcLlkNVFg

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by island911

Which vaccines? If you can't be specific... Polio? Smallpox? There have been some life-changing vaccines. But just because something is called a vaccine does not necessarily make it helpful.

Okay... how do the covid vaccines differ from other vaccines in what they're ultimately supposed to do?

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by javadog

I haven’t seen a study that attempts to address all of the variables and answer the question. So, we don’t know.

Given all of the bull**** that has been put forth through this entire pandemic, the fact that they’re hyping that claim so much makes me really suspicious.

Maybe you should look at the phase 1 through phase 3 information for each? That's kinda what they do.... determine how effective the vaccine is at preventing severe illness vs unvaccinated.

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by island911

Which vaccines? If you can't be specific... Polio? Smallpox? There have been some life-changing vaccines. But just because something is called a vaccine does not necessarily make it helpful.

Are you serious? My question was in response javadog's post "These vaccines are not working as expected. --durability is crap." In case you forgot, I asked "Do you think the vaccines help in terms of not getting seriously ill or dead an overwhelming percentage of the time?" in response to that. Now you don't know what vaccines?

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by javadog

This is an interesting data point.

https://watermark.silverchair.com/jiab421.pdf?token=AQECAHi208BE49Ooan9kkhW_Ercy7Dm3 ZL_9Cf3qfKAc485ysgAAAt4wggLaBgkqhkiG9w0BBwagggLLMI ICxwIBADCCAsAGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAeBglghkgBZQMEAS4wEQQM 1MDqVC2Z1g-2_tyOAgEQgIICkRsLI_rWVPw0AfEZ2y7rkAusQimOlI26Eeck2 ImICbUQKaquOsSSCVjerBQ_Sz1GkDwCnx_wZKcRmf0pew8aFQj fgO0T7kim790Afz09vY2FcZjbpJSLDV0H4PEWSs3caCORLTR_Q ZQj0LxDlXxzSj4hMNrkHiCLSWOz4NQt_1GoN-xGl082kOgGE9DlPC4jI_kg5Ecs-Ypo5evHozHGWzjJPBnveD3uBYEMKBs5r5r59z2J4PZrunQ7OMr tfUwuCyZm45fhO2VeIsP2mwWRGCr7HfqmKgQ3pxB3MzdTHjfnE ir4q-u9NhBgeen-giLxMO952MR4YzhdMCfSsG-R6jNeJfJk76iTrvOtJw6QygK0MGwCmYHnAukM1Tz94AHpTqBdS BxYQ547asJmMABVOuomRahtsLvo-5x1W640Xm96uea7A1fS_Z39Fcuyr9cOezGDLa1vydLqSt4wRJh ZvRjDrWPXRh6TJkfa5him3kq__CL2c4aZ3kkF44HTtqOyTUfSe TZuhewBBawTpaPEAqzn1BwkWngRvFPrsgnDvuTj-4fxqxPrFS33JYf6lVPLjbQOVhXcqLxTbGPbVuvQ7Gh2iROR74-sgJVSnm68vvx8C3VZXHi38IV3TuEWgNeN5sj7_lcjo040GkDO4-tn2CYWXTupsdm5B-l67WH1XteeK65CU7WHYL1kF9YZ3U-LbzE_0dKSfTLxSWSs_gbhhnUGT4Udr6k3Vbbeps0NwEEywcPHw RkRVTRoMXczZstNTf46WenNLHIaKrFG00o18EzlUTlnxpPNMtw ZVRoDgAJLB9PySZ_IOLdmafln6IW0IXlbJGkKe4nrCXPxSUX4L sWuiFYlnmJjbWYSOmcLlkNVFg

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[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by island911

And how small are the chances of the average unvaccinated American contracting Covid? Maybe about one in 5,000 per day, and even lower for people who take precautions or live in a highly naturally immune community? --look at Hawaii... Never built much natural immunity. So much dry timber to burn, so to speak.

NYT is lame.

One in 5,000-10,000 is what the article states. Not unvaccinated. It doesn't sound like you read the article or clicked on this link:

https://www.nytimes.com/article/breakthrough-infections-covid-19-coronavirus.html

A recent study in Los Angeles County showed that while breakthrough infections can happen, the unvaccinated are 29 times as likely to end up hospitalized from Covid-19 as a vaccinated person.

Apparently you've missed the memo on the fourth wave.

[DontBaSheeple]

CDC recently changed the definition of a vaccination. It is obvious that covid jabs does not increase one's immune system. I think it decreases natural immunity hence the reason for repeated jabs that may never end.