Vaccines are moving the needle...

[speeder]

You can seriously find some weird outlier scientist or researcher for any conspiracy theory or other fake conclusion. I'll stick with the consensus among legitimate researchers, thank you very much.

The fact of the matter is that hospitals in many parts of the USA, all where a concentration of conservative anti-vaxxer type people live, are being overrun with sick and dying unvaccinated Covid patients. One of the latest places is the Central Valley of California. Some crazy percentage of them, like 99.5%, are unvaccinated. The only vaccinated people being admitted are generally very old and/or have other serious health issues. Younger people than ever are dying now with the Delta variant.

You can read your stupid conspiracy theory websites all you want, the virus doesn't care. There are going to be a lot fewer voters on the right soon, talk about Darwin Awards.

[pavulon]

Originally Posted by javadog

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course. Always the same thing with you.

Originally Posted by javadog

Give it a ****ing rest, would you? I couldn’t give two ****s what some far left leaning ******* website thinks about that. Watch the ****ing videos.

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by cabmando

Really Steve... when you're using the daily beast as a source for information.... that's pretty weak. That site is farther to the left than Fox News is to the right. I mean... damn...

Doesn't matter if they're to the left as long as they're credible and accurate. A rightist website wouldn't bother me if they were honest and had integrity, as I'm sure many do.

What is it with some of you needing to politicize this? Some of you seem to think that by labeling me as a leftist I am somehow invalidated. That's sixth grade hate and crap. None of you knows my politics. I don't post in PARF. What a friggin cesspool it is, anyway.

My opinions on COVID are based on my best interpretations of the science and for the public heath benefit. I don't expect you to believe me or care. But I'm going to call out the torrents of stupidity I see espoused here on a constant basis.

I don't see any intention on The Daily Beast to misinform. They've made some occasional mistakes. No large media groups are perfect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Daily_Beast

[pmax]

Originally Posted by javadog

An annual booster is like a pipe dream at this point. They can’t even get six useful months out of one. If you listen to the doctors and the virologists, it seems to me that the more you vaccinate a population the worse the problem with mutations becomes.

3 months.

[island911]

Yikes! ^

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

.. I don't post in PARF. What a friggin cesspool it is, anyway...

What a friggin cesspool thing to say, here in OT.

Parf is not a cesspool. You simply don't like PARF because you can't keep up. So you throw barbs from OT. Again, What a friggin cesspool thing to say.

[speeder]

Well, I’ve called it a cesspool in PARF, so there is that. It’s a toilet.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by cabmando

Fair enough. I'll watch them... But I still want to know why I don't have a smallpox scar like all three of my older brothers do if vaccines cause mutations. And how do we explain the mutations that came from countries that have a lesser rate of vaccination? If vaccination causes mutation, why aren't we seeing new variants of concern? You'd think we'd have one from Israel, USA etc... is someone hiding something?

https://www.healthline.com/health/smallpox-vaccine-scar#causes

https://srhd.org/news/2021/coronavirus-mutations-and-variants-what-does-it-mean

[javadog]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

Doesn't matter if they're to the left as long as they're credible and accurate. A rightist website wouldn't bother me if they were honest and had integrity, as I'm sure many do.

What is it with some of you needing to politicize this? Some of you seem to think that by labeling me as a leftist I am somehow invalidated. That's sixth grade hate and crap. None of you knows my politics. I don't post in PARF. What a friggin cesspool it is, anyway.

My opinions on COVID are based on my best interpretations of the science and for the public heath benefit. I don't expect you to believe me or care. But I'm going to call out the torrents of stupidity I see espoused here on a constant basis.

I don't see any intention on The Daily Beast to misinform. They've made some occasional mistakes. No large media groups are perfect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Daily_Beast

Sitejabber (like Yelp for websites) gives them a 1.58 out of 5 stars ranking. Out of 67 similar sites reviewed, they are 11th from the bottom, one rank above Huffpost. Pretty much ****, in other words. Hillary Clinton’s personal website scores twice as high as they do and she’s one of the biggest liars in politics.. Read the comments see what consumers have to say about them.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

Renowned vaccine researcher Geert Vanden Bossche? The renowned vaccine researcher that hasn't published a paper since 1995?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?sort=date&term=Vanden+Bossche+G&cauthor_id=7551734

https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/G-Vanden-Bossche-2067145614

So what? Last I checked, you weren’t published, either. Nor do you have a degree in virology, or anything remotely related to it.

Need I remind you that being a retired process manager for a tire plant in Butf****, Nowhere doesn’t give you much credibility for criticizing the credentials of anybody in his field.

So spare me the useless critique, you want to discuss the point he makes, feel free.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by speeder

You can seriously find some weird outlier scientist or researcher for any conspiracy theory or other fake conclusion. I'll stick with the consensus among legitimate researchers, thank you very much.

The fact of the matter is that hospitals in many parts of the USA, all where a concentration of conservative anti-vaxxer type people live, are being overrun with sick and dying unvaccinated Covid patients. One of the latest places is the Central Valley of California. Some crazy percentage of them, like 99.5%, are unvaccinated. The only vaccinated people being admitted are generally very old and/or have other serious health issues. Younger people than ever are dying now with the Delta variant.

You can read your stupid conspiracy theory websites all you want, the virus doesn't care. There are going to be a lot fewer voters on the right soon, talk about Darwin Awards.

99.5%?

Lol. Quit reading the LA Times.

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

Doesn't matter if they're to the left as long as they're credible and accurate. A rightist website wouldn't bother me if they were honest and had integrity, as I'm sure many do.

What is it with some of you needing to politicize this? Some of you seem to think that by labeling me as a leftist I am somehow invalidated. That's sixth grade hate and crap. None of you knows my politics. I don't post in PARF. What a friggin cesspool it is, anyway.

My opinions on COVID are based on my best interpretations of the science and for the public heath benefit. I don't expect you to believe me or care. But I'm going to call out the torrents of stupidity I see espoused here on a constant basis.

I don't see any intention on The Daily Beast to misinform. They've made some occasional mistakes. No large media groups are perfect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Daily_Beast

FWIW, I didn't label YOU anything. I correctly pointed out that the Beast is as far left as Fox is right. I just saw you linking a source that is arguably garbage and thought you could do better. The funny thing is, the linked piece is a left leaning rag busting on a right leaning rag.

Now... carry on.

[hbueno]

This thresd brings "human centipede" to mind.

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by javadog

https://www.healthline.com/health/smallpox-vaccine-scar#causes

https://srhd.org/news/2021/coronavirus-mutations-and-variants-what-does-it-mean

I think you missed the point about the missing vaccine scar. I don't have one because the public vaccination campaign ended before I was old enough to get the vaccine. So if vaccines put pressure on the virus to mutate which keeps the virus in circulation, why didn't this happen with smallpox?

[javadog]

Originally Posted by cabmando

I think you missed the point about the missing vaccine scar. I don't have one because the public vaccination campaign ended before I was old enough to get the vaccine. So if vaccines put pressure on the virus to mutate which keeps the virus in circulation, why didn't this happen with smallpox?

If you had watched the video I provided, and you did say you would, you would know the answer to that question.

Assuming you paid attention when you watched it.

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by javadog

If you had watched the video I provided, and you did say you would, you would know the answer to that question.

Assuming you paid attention when you watched it.

I haven't taken the 53 minutes to watch it. I'm going to try to watch it today.

[island911]

Originally Posted by pmax

3 months.

So, is that then the window where a person wants to be exposed to the virus? -to gain (stronger) natural immunity.

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by javadog

https://www.healthline.com/health/smallpox-vaccine-scar#causes

https://srhd.org/news/2021/coronavirus-mutations-and-variants-what-does-it-mean

First link doesn't work.

The second link discusses a lot of variants, their etiology and effects. Thankfully, the vaccines and therapies are still effective. Someday, they may not be, but fortunately the mRNA platform is adaptable. What is your point in posting that link?

[javadog]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

First link doesn't work.
What is your point in posting that link?

The first link does work, I just checked it again. Looks like the problem is on your end, maybe you should fix it.

As for your second question, that should be obvious if you have any reading comprehension left, whatsoever. Your first clue should be that I quoted a previous post.

To make it completely clear, in case that’s not clear enough, both links were in response to questions posed by cabmando. He asked a couple questions, I gave him links where he might find his answers.

[island911]

Originally Posted by javadog

The first link does work, I just checked it again. Looks like the problem is on your end, maybe you should fix it...

Works for me too. And I use a non-mainstream browser.

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by javadog

I happen to think that we’re just going to end up chasing our tails. The virus will mutate faster than we can develop vaccines effective against the new mutations and there will be no end to the number of boosters you have to get. Some prominent scientists warn against this, read this article and check out the videos embedded in it.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/09/08/the-ronacoaster-once-you-get-in-the-vaccine-car-you-aint-getting-off-til-the-rides-over/#more-216572

Just for you, I looked at that link. First link with video in there is this:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/09/05/sunday-talks-fauci-says-booster-one-coming-soon-and-mu-variant-showing-increased-avoidance-of-high-level-antibodies-making-way-for-booster-two/

There's a strong anti-vaccine bias in there and in my opinion makes up facts that don't exist:

For those who have taken the immune system altering “vaccine”, the booster shots will be coming soon; hopefully by September 20th, if not shortly thereafter. The booster is needed to stem the impacts from the strength of the Delta variant created by the vaccine designed for the original COVID-19 virus. The Delta booster will address the mutation of the virus, created by the vaccine.

The statement below appears to jump from might have higher antibody resistance to "has" it. It also misrepresents what Fauci says. See for your yourself in the video I linked below the conservative treehouse article. I set the video to start at 5:40, the relevant portion. Fauci does not discuss a "Mu booster," he states the current booster is so far holding up as is so far. In my opinion, the conservative treehouse is making up its own facts. I'm satisfied the conservative treehouse is not credible on this issue.

Additionally, preliminary data on the “Mu variant” indicates it has a higher level of antibody resistance than the Delta variant; which Fauci infers could mean another booster, a “Mu booster” to supplement the booster for the first variant, Delta, which is needed as a result of COVID-19 virus resistance to the first round of vaccines….