Vaccines are moving the needle...

[john70t]

Originally Posted by upsscott

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/30/facebook-posts/uk-health-official-misspoke-when-he-said-60-hospit/
Don’t you fact checking this crap? Also don’t you think that flu vaccines, masks, and social distancing might have something to do with your flu numbers?

Gee, those fact-checking websites must have been really busy back in 2019.

https://usamagazinestudio.com/watch-study-finds-fully-vaccinated-individuals-27-times-more-likely-to-develop-covid-19-symptoms-than-unvaccinated-with-natural-immunity/
CNN: Why should people with natural immunity still be forced to take the vaccine?
FAUCI: "I don’t have a really firm answer for you on that."pic.twitter.com/vGAIehMOJF
— Dr. Simone Gold (@drsimonegold) September 13, 2021

https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2021/7/20/22584134/whats-going-on-in-israels-outbreak-among-vaccinated-people
Israel — the poster child for COVID-19 vaccination and the first country to reach herd immunity — has seen a recent rise in cases. Recently, most of the people testing positive are vaccinated, reported The Washington Post.

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by john70t

This will all be ignored:

Here's the original story (a horrible one, for sure) on your first screenshot:

https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/minnesota-woman-loses-both-legs-and-both-hands-following-second-pfizer-covid-19-shot/ From that link a brief disclaimer:

Jummaci was working as a medical assistant in a clinic in Minneapolis and was instructed to take the COVID-19 “vaccines.”

She complied, and immediately after getting the second injection, according to her husband, “she started to experience chest pain at work.”

Things went down hill fast after that, as the all-too-familiar symptoms of blood clots, a known side effect of the Pfizer COVID-19 shots, were found in her heart, and today she has had both legs amputated, and will also have to have both of her hands amputated.

Her case is supposedly “rare,” as her husband reports that after the CDC and “70-80” doctors investigated her case, and reported back to him:

the CDC sent us a letter of their conclusions which stated that Jummai was infected with MIS-A and covid-19, but they cannot conclude whether the covid-19 vaccine contributed for now.

Her entire story is published on their GoFundMe account, written by her husband, where they are trying to raise money for their medical expenses.

There's a deeper story in the GoFundMe link.

Is it possible on your second screenshot that the erroneous finding was being reported before it was corrected?

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/60-people-being-admitted-uk-hospitals-had-two-covid-jabs-adviser-2021-07-19/

LONDON, July 19 (Reuters) - Britain's Chief Scientific Adviser Patrick Vallance said that 60% of people being admitted to hospital with COVID-19 are unvaccinated, correcting an earlier statement he made on Monday.

Vallance earlier said at a news conference with Prime Minister Boris Johnson that 60% of people being admitted to hospital with COVID-19 have had two doses of vaccine.

"Correcting a statistic I gave at the press conference," Vallance said on Twitter. "About 60% of hospitalisations from COVID are not from double vaccinated people, rather 60% of hospitalisations from COVID are currently from unvaccinated people."

Perhaps you should be a little more careful with your "facts"?

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by john70t

Gee, those fact-checking websites must have been really busy back in 2019.

https://usamagazinestudio.com/watch-study-finds-fully-vaccinated-individuals-27-times-more-likely-to-develop-covid-19-symptoms-than-unvaccinated-with-natural-immunity/
CNN: Why should people with natural immunity still be forced to take the vaccine?
FAUCI: "I don’t have a really firm answer for you on that."pic.twitter.com/vGAIehMOJF
— Dr. Simone Gold (@drsimonegold) September 13, 2021

https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2021/7/20/22584134/whats-going-on-in-israels-outbreak-among-vaccinated-people
Israel — the poster child for COVID-19 vaccination and the first country to reach herd immunity — has seen a recent rise in cases. Recently, most of the people testing positive are vaccinated, reported The Washington Post.

Gee, I guess it's not possible that Fauci is just being honest in light of a just released Israeli study, no? This is an evolving situation, no?

[john70t]

Oh, so only 40% new cases (in that one reported study) were already vaccinated, I guess.
You're claiming her immediate blood clot reaction is no way related to the vax, clots are so very rare the CDC doesn't need to collect adverse reaction data, and the compete disappearance of the flu is unrelated magic?
Those are some facts. What did you disprove?

[island911]

Originally Posted by upsscott

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Don’t you fact checking this crap? Also don’t you think that flu vaccines, masks, and social distancing might have something to do with your flu numbers?

So masks and anti-social distancing stop the flu from raging thru' the populations, but does not stop covid from raging thru the populations. (100's of millions getting covid)

How does that work?

[Sooner or later]

If you would actually read up on the flu there was little flu spread throughout the entire world.

The flu is not nearly as transmittable as the original strain. The precautions used to slow the spread of covid actually decimated the flu's ability to spread. Social distancing, masking, increased hygiene, working from home, school closures (a major cause of flu spread), and increased world wide flu vaccinations all combined to basically eliminate the flu.

Simple science.

[island911]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

If you would actually read up on the flu there was little flu spread throughout the entire world.

The flu is not nearly as transmittable as the original strain. The precautions used to slow the spread of covid actually decimated the flu's ability to spread. Social distancing, masking, increased hygiene, working from home, and school closures (a major cause of flu spread), and increased world wide flu vaccinations all combined to basically eliminate the flu.

Simple science.

But how then, using "Simple science," does CV not also drop to 1800 cases?

[Sooner or later]

What is the R0 of the flu?
What is the R0 of the flu when vaccinations are taken into account?
What is the R0 of covid when there were no vaccinations available?

[island911]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

What is the R0 of the flu?
What is the R0 of the flu when vaccinations are taken into account?
What is the R0 of covid when there were no vaccinations available?

We have more CV vax coverage than we have ever had flu vax coverage and people are still loosing their minds and getting CV.

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by island911

We have more CV vax coverage than we have ever had flu vax coverage and people are still loosing their minds and getting CV.

Not during last years flu season.

[Sooner or later]

The flu is about an R2. With vaccine it drops to about R1.5. If 1/3 of person to person contact is eliminated by masking, social, distancing, etc the R0 drops below 1. Cases cannot increase and fall off to near zero.

Covid had an R3 (or more, Delta far higher). No vaccine. Social distancing, masking, etc did not drop the R0 to below 1. Covid could continue to spread. Spread was slowed, though far from eliminated.

Simple science if you actually research.

[island911]

You know that we had flu vaccine in 2019, right? 38million got the flu anyway.

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by island911

You know that we had flu vaccine in 2019, right? 38million got the flu anyway.

Prior to covid.

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by john70t

Oh, so only 40% new cases (in that one reported study) were already vaccinated, I guess.
You're claiming her immediate blood clot reaction is no way related to the vax, clots are so very rare the CDC doesn't need to collect adverse reaction data, and the compete disappearance of the flu is unrelated magic?
Those are some facts. What did you disprove?

I'm just saying read the article that you just posted a screenshot of. Read the GoFundMe page as well for a more complete story. They don't know if the blot clotting came from the COVID virus (a known side effect) or the vaccine (I believe sometimes a rare and treatable side effect). Probably her underlying health condition allowed it to be very destructive. Perhaps she should have been exempted from getting vaccinated. The CDC got involved with 70-80 doctors, so they were interested. Looks inconclusive, yet your post implies that she got her legs and hands amputated only as a result of the vaccine. That's a big stretch, and the article you posted seems to want to sensationalize it.

[pavulon]

Originally Posted by island911

We have more CV vax coverage than we have ever had flu vax coverage and people are still loosing their minds and getting CV.

It is and always has been difficult enough for people to deal with a pandemic alone but having to simultaneously deal with a bunch of loudmouth tools spreading lies about the situation, undermining and sabotaging efforts to deal with it drains the good will from everyone.

[McLovin]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

Here's the original story (a horrible one, for sure) on your first screenshot:

Things went down hill fast after that, as the all-too-familiar symptoms of blood clots, a known side effect of the Pfizer COVID-19 shots, were found in her heart

Interesting.
I’m fairly agnostic on the vaccine and side effects, I certainly don’t have the certainty (one way or the other) or expertise that so many here seem to have.
That being said, I am vaccinated.
BUT, here’s a weird thing.
I’ve now known FIVE people, people I PERSONALLY know, that were vaccinated and have had strokes.
Two are immediate family members.
My immediate family members both survived.
Two of the others actually died from the strokes.
One was very healthy but around 80. Not overweight, etc., he was a runner til his 70’s. His stroke rendered him unconscious, he was hospitalized and woke up, but died from complications within 2 weeks.
The other was in her early 50s and died completely unexpectedly in her sleep from a massive stroke.
Coincidence?
Again, I don’t know for sure. But i haven’t known a lot of people who have had strokes, then suddenly this year there’s 5, with 2 fatal.

[McLovin]

So IMO, to me, there isn’t *complete* certainty on the vaccines, certainly not for long term effects (that would be impossible to completely know for a vaccine that’s only been out less than a year).
And I wouldn’t be surprised if strokes this year end up being above normal (again, no way to know except to wait and see).
I also think that the government, by not being completely honest and transparent, actually loses some credibility and causes people to be more suspicious.

[upsscott]

Originally Posted by mdj930

Do you actually believe the flu cases went from 38 million to 1800?
Didn't happen.
Mike

Yes.

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by upsscott

Nah. I’ve yet to hear of anybody who is allergic to the vaccine. I’m done with the stupidity.

Are you sure about that?

You can't be that clueless can you? People have anaphylactic reactions to the vaccine. It happens. And there are people who are indeed allergic to components which is why the vaccines carry a warning. If you were done with the stupid, you'd stop making stupid comments that show your lack of understanding of the vaccines or how they can affect people in different ways.

You should take the time to read Stephanie's (Porschegal) comment here about her reaction to the second dose. It was in a thread early on. She had a pretty tough go of it. She still recommended getting vaccinated, but she did indeed have a severe anaphylactic reaction.

I know several people who haven't been vaccinated and it has nothing to do with politics. Two had Covid and don't see a need to get vaccinated. One was around his wife and daughter when they both had covid and he never got it (or at least showed no symptoms of it). Three people I know just aren't comfortable with the vaccine, not because of any crazy website or blog they got bad info from, and I can understand their concerns as well.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

So, doctors and hospitals are going to fabricate medical records and treatments and commit Medicare fraud.

At the very least, they will lie to the media. I doubt they can get prosecuted for that. That’s for what they report to Medicare, I can’t say. Here’s one such example that I believe is backed up by enough evidence to prove that it is true:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/09/new-missouri-covid-whistleblower-hospitals-lying-public-covid-can-prove/

One of my sisters works in a large hospital in Oklahoma. I haven’t talked to her about it lately but last year, when Covid was at its peak, their hospital was a virtual ghost town.