Vaccines are moving the needle...

[Chocaholic]

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[Roswell]

Don't need one, just click the link...

[MAH77]

Originally Posted by javadog

Forcing kids to get vaccinated, in age groups where we know that more will die from the vaccine side effects than will die from Covid. . .

Please post a link with data supporting this point, you're fear mongering with that statement if you don't have data to back it up.

[speeder]

Yes, that statement is utterly unsupported by data or evidence. ^^^

[javadog]

Fear mongering? Oh my.

You guys not keeping up with the data?

Your Google finger broken?

This has been discussed quite a bit lately, here’s one study, there are others:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.21262866v1

[upsscott]

Originally Posted by island911

Look at countries with 90%-ish vaccination rates.

https://scitechdaily.com/more-vaccinated-people-are-dying-of-covid-in-england-than-unvaccinated-heres-why/

Understand, I am not claiming that vaccines do nothing. I am saying that the current crop of vaccines are NOTHING like typical vaccines. These are more like short-lasting prophylaxis drugs. These wear off and the protection is effectively gone. Meanwhile we have a bunch of those people running around feeling all high and mighty that THEY are VACCINATED - unlike those dirty unwashed masses of idiots who won't follow the science. They insist that everyone -including those with actual immunity- MUST start taking the drugs - get jabbed regularly...

I’ve yet to see these high and mighty people you speak of. I see people who feel a bit more comfortable than before the shot. I agree that these are not vaccines in the general sense of the term. Hopefully the second round will be more effective but for now this is what we have. I’ve yet to get sick.

[MikeSid]

Originally Posted by javadog

Fear mongering? Oh my.

You guys not keeping up with the data?

Your Google finger broken?

This has been discussed quite a bit lately, here’s one study, there are others:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.21262866v1

That study concludes:
"For boys 12-17 without medical comorbidities, the likelihood of post vaccination dose two CAE is 162.2 and 94.0/million respectively."

That's a 1.6 hundredths of a percent chance of an adverse cardiac event.

I am not sure why the authors of that study chose to juxtapose that statistic with the 120 day hospitalization rate.

[javadog]

Maybe it is to help them calculate the current rate of hospitalization from Covid in that age group.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by island911

[B]Seems that staying with what your body is known to tolerate is a good plan.

With respect to booster and staying with J&J, your response makes sense.

I asked my physician yesterday he said, "No, get Phizer or Moderna"

I'm going to do that even though about three peeps I know were sick afterwards.

[pmax]

Another state signs up to setting up self referred antibody clinics.

This is good.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak

With respect to booster and staying with J&J, your response makes sense.

I asked my physician yesterday he said, "No, get Phizer or Moderna"

I'm going to do that even though about three peeps I know were sick afterwards.

It sucks but when a vaccine makes me ill, at least I know it’s working. I was slightly disappointed that both Moderna Covid shots had no noticeable effect on me.

[island911]

^ maybe you got faulty vaccine - like wasn't kept at -40, or something.

Of course if a whole bunch of faulty vaccine was given out, would anyone notice?

Just weird that with the massive vaccine distribution campaigns we never hear about the times the supply-chain got compromised.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by island911

^ maybe you got faulty vaccine - like wasn't kept at -40, or something.

Of course if a whole bunch of faulty vaccine was given out, would anyone notice?

Just weird that with the massive vaccine distribution campaigns we never hear about the times the supply-chain got compromised.

I happen to think that most pharmacists and other people entrusted with handling medications are people with professional integrity who take pride in their jobs, (and face oversight). Maybe I'm just naive.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by speeder

I happen to think that most pharmacists and other people entrusted with handling medications are people with professional integrity who take pride in their jobs, (and face oversight). Maybe I'm just naive.

That’s true, but they do make mistakes. Here’s the thing, what’s the supply chain look like between the manufacturer of the vaccine and the end recipient, whether it’s a pharmacist or a hospital or whatever? That’s probably the part I’d worry about.

[Rikao4]

trusting perhaps..
but with our math skill ratings in the working world....
we've had more than a few 'oops'...
wrong dosages..
not good.
real bad when it's kids..
wrong patient..
all the time..
and one Nurse just gave saline...

Rika

[upsscott]

Originally Posted by speeder

I happen to think that most pharmacists and other people entrusted with handling medications are people with professional integrity who take pride in their jobs, (and face oversight). Maybe I'm just naive.

No, you’re just normal. It must suck to go through life doubting everyone and everything.

[upsscott]

Originally Posted by javadog

That’s true, but they do make mistakes. Here’s the thing, what’s the supply chain look like between the manufacturer of the vaccine and the end recipient, whether it’s a pharmacist or a hospital or whatever? That’s probably the part I’d worry about.

I know that great care is taken with Covid packages that go through the UPS system. They are segregated and treated as a priority all the way to the end point.

[dafischer]

Meaning drop-kicked through the door.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by upsscott

I know that great care is taken with Covid packages that go through the UPS system. They are segregated and treated as a priority all the way to the end point.

Here’s hoping that the dry ice, in whatever packaging they use, lasts long enough…

[Rikao4]

you just click the 'agree' buttons don't you...
and that's okay for some btw....


Rika