This family went out for hike and never came back...

[thor66]

Chron. article says no clues yet.

[ckissick]

The local TV news said they still don't know how they died. They said the temperature in the area was 106 degrees that day. In a narrow, treeless rocky canyon with no wind, it was probably hotter for them. I'm thinking the kid passed out first, and no one was willing to leave to get help. Maybe they decided to wait for dark and cooler temps, but that didn't work out. Even the loyal dog stayed with them. This only makes sense if the creek was dry.

[HobieMarty]

I thought that I read somewhere that it was a toxic algae bloom. Maybe I was reading about a different group?

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[aigel]

If you die of heat stroke, wouldn't the autopsy reveal it?

My bet is on something sinister. One of the grown ups offed the rest with poison. Toxicology report is still not in? I think it was previously mentioned, if you don't know what poison you are looking for, it can be very tough to find the agent.

You wonder if the popo is working on the background of the family. Are there any possible motives? You always learn how awesome everyone was initially, but sometimes there is more behind the scenes, such as an affair or mental illness.

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[Bill Douglas]

Maybe they met Brian Laundrie coming the other way

[Brian 162]

I was watching ABC news tonight and they reported the family died from the extreme heat and possible dehydration

[serene911]

[masraum]

Super sad! RIP. As I think I may have said before. It's probably a blessing in a way that the whole family died. It would be horrible if one of them, any one of them, had survived.

[jyl]

They had an 85 oz water container, I think I read it was a bladder type - that’s 1.3 gallons for two adults, dog and infant on an 8 mile hike - about 4 hours on foot - that they had completed 7 miles of. It was a brutally hot day (up to 109F) but they would surely have started in the cooler morning. Something still doesn’t add up. It could have been as simple as accidentally spilling most of the water (no mention in media of a second container) or getting lost for some extra miles, but I think something had to have gone pretty wrong. Two quarts is less than I’d want for four hours on foot in very hot weather, but you’d make it.

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by jyl

They had an 85 oz water container, I think I read it was a bladder type - that’s 1.3 gallons for two adults, dog and infant on an 8 mile hike - about 4 hours on foot - that they had completed 7 miles of. It was a brutally hot day (up to 109F) but they would surely have started in the cooler morning. Something still doesn’t add up. It could have been as simple as accidentally spilling most of the water (no mention in media of a second container) or getting lost for some extra miles, but I think something had to have gone pretty wrong. Two quarts is less than I’d want for four hours on foot in very hot weather, but you’d make it.

That was my thought too. The two adults, child and dog all found in same area and it was a heat related? Sad any way you slice it.

[rfuerst911sc]

The only way I see this being a heat stroke death is the two adults realized they were not going to make it and sat down to die as a family . Not sure why the dog would have stayed to die , I guess just an obedient pooch . I realize temp's were very high but something still seems off to me . As a man I would have done anything to save my wife and baby so I would have been found as far away as I was able to go looking for help .

We don't have all the data to analyze like the police do so we are just guessing as to what could have happened . What a horrible way for a family to perish . RIP to them all .

[Seahawk]

Dehydration is a lot more sinister than most people realize.

My Dad was a monster about hydration when we rode dirt bikes in the desert: "You must drink before you feel thirsty!" and he monitored how much we drank.

The amount of water to remain hydrated in temperatures above 100 degrees is surprising. There are hundreds of websites with the info.

Many years later, during Survival, Escape, Resistance and Evasion School (summer time for my class in Warner Springs, California and parts of the desert) they lined all the POWs up at regular intervals and made us drink.

Drink before you feel thirsty was the cornerstone of the desert training.

The onset of cramps, fatigue and confusion happens quickly.

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

Dehydration is a lot more sinister than most people realize.

My Dad was a monster about hydration when we rode dirt bikes in the desert: "You must drink before you feel thirsty!" and he monitored how much we drank.

The amount of water to remain hydrated in temperatures above 100 degrees is surprising. There are hundreds of websites with the info.

Many years later, during Survival, Escape, Resistance and Evasion School (summer time for my glass in Warner Springs, California and parts of the desert) they lined all the POWs up at regular intervals and made us drink.

Drink before you feel thirsty was the cornerstone of the desert training.

The onset of cramps, fatigue and confusion happens quickly.

You did SERE school? You never cease to impress.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

You did SERE school? You never cease to impress.

Unfortunately, all Navy pilots have to. I was POW Number 16.

I did make it to "Freedom Village" during the escape portion because I, uh, cheated

Hydration link: https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/mining/UserFiles/works/pdfs/2017-126.pdf

[3rd_gear_Ted]

9100 ft altitude was a factor also

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by 3rd_gear_Ted

9100 ft altitude was a factor also

No question. There was a lot going on.

[Hard-Deck]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

Unfortunately, all Navy pilots have to. I was POW Number 16.

I did make it to "Freedom Village" during the escape portion because I, uh, cheated

If you’re not cheating, you’re not trying.

[Hard-Deck]

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc

The only way I see this being a heat stroke death is the two adults realized they were not going to make it and sat down to die as a family . Not sure why the dog would have stayed to die , I guess just an obedient pooch . I realize temp's were very high but something still seems off to me . As a man I would have done anything to save my wife and baby so I would have been found as far away as I was able to go looking for help .

We don't have all the data to analyze like the police do so we are just guessing as to what could have happened . What a horrible way for a family to perish . RIP to them all .

Pretty much how I feel about this. It’s a very sad event; heartbreaking. I hope that the truth is determined soon. I’m not ruling out many of the (reasonable) possibilities, but this is a very “strange” event to have a family and pet all at the same site.

[GH85Carrera]

I sweat, no scratch that, I spew when I am exerting in hot weather. At Roebling road race track it was pure Savannah, GA heat. 95 degrees and 90% humidity heat index was 147°F. I drank over 30 bottles of water that day, and never needed to pee. I could not suck down enough water to need to urinate. Normally I never salt my food, but I ordered fries and salted them as a source of more salt.

At home in the dead of summer if I have to mow the yard in the heat I will start drinking water an hour before I go out. I will go through 5 or 6 bottles in an hour and a half. If I don't need to pee I know I am not drinking enough.

[Norm K]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

I sweat, no scratch that, I spew when I am exerting in hot weather. .

I've lived for extended periods in a number of places, from about 8' of elevation in the humid climate of Louisiana to over 8,000' in the arid climate of Colorado.

Lower elevations, particularly those with even moderate levels of relative humidity, provide considerably more feedback on fluid loss than do high elevations with low humidity, where sweat, which evaporates almost as quickly as it leaves your body, is far less noticeable.

In aviation, "High, Hot and Heavy" is (or used to be - haven't been around it much in about 20 years) a well known signal of danger on take off.

The term "High, Hot and Hiking" should be driven home to anyone hitting the trails in certain areas.

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