Car Shortage

[stevej37]

The mark-up is added before the car is ordered.
At least with Honda.

[pmax]

Originally Posted by Deschodt

Is that really a bad thing? Buy, buy, consume, throw away... I mean on this board lots of us have 30-50y old cars still kicking and being fun. I'm kinda glad for less new cars on the road and more repairing/recycling, and I don't even hug trees. Cars do last longer than a lease term, sometimes decades if you take care of them ;-) I was kinda hoping this shortage made people realize no car payment is good !

Yep.

[pmax]

Originally Posted by stevej37

^^^ Living in a rust belt area...I know, even with careful maintenance, the car won't last more than 8-10 years before rust pops up. Salt gets into crevices that you can't clean out. A person can make it drive much longer, but the rust will get it.

Used cars from fair weather states will last forever well maintained.

Plenty of those to choose from if you’re short.

[stevej37]

^^^ they won't if taken back to MI

[pmax]

Originally Posted by stevej37

^^^ they won't if taken back to MI

No different, might even be better given the place of manufacture, than new.

$100 for the rusty Fit.

[stevej37]

Today....driving a 10 mile trip. The road is brown with the countys mixture of salt/sand.
The wheel wells are packed with the snow/sand/salt mixture. Drive it into the garage and it melts.
The melting mixture seeps into every crack/opening on the car....where it eats away.

[stevej37]

Originally Posted by pmax

$100 for the rusty Fit.

Check back in the spring...3K might take it.

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by Brando

Pretty sure there is a backlog of orders to deliver. Not before dealers add some crazy markup before delivery. You know, "market adjustments" because "F you". I've seen it on some cars here.

There's that and and tons of cars that were never built. MBZ is delivering some cars with a disclaimer that some chip-oriented components will be installed later in order to get more cars out, and I've heard other manufacturer's are doing the same. MBZ and Volvo are down around 80% from their normal inventory now. The car business (like many) is "supply and demand." Some cars are selling for MSRP or close, some are selling for up to $25K over MSRP, even $100K over MSRP, like on a G-wagon. Even MSRP is thousands more $ than the cars were selling for 6-12 months ago. There's lots of people around with more money than brains. Others are just waiting or buying out their current leases for an attractive price by today's standards. It's a seller's market. If you can sell and wait, that's the smart play.

[varmint]

neighbor just got the new bronco. was happy for about three days. went back to the dealership with a physical problem in the steering column. the part is on the way.

[pmax]

Originally Posted by stevej37

Check back in the spring...3K might take it.

Would there even be a car left after another winter season ?

It has been pickled for what, 10 years, now.

[stevej37]

Nooo...it's in great shape...aside from some brown on the bottom of the door pockets.
I'll put it up against most any car at the stoplight. The v-tec is awesome.

[mjohnson]

Originally Posted by stevej37

^^^ they won't if taken back to MI

No lies - I just got gifted from my parents a 2003 Ranger with < 40k (GRR/DET) miles and, while the paint is actually OK, the whole underside needs a wire wheel and some POR-15. OK, a lot of POR-15. So much rust on an otherwise pristine truckito!

Every time I complain about the desert mountains here, dry skin, bleeding eyeballs and all of that - I think of that rust...

(OK I'm still bitter over my 1978 cutlass calais' bumper rotting off (falling off!) in 1990 with only maybe 40k on the odometer - it's probably in some ditch today in Grandville MI)

[stevej37]

^^^ Lol...we lead the 50 states in cancer causing roads.
Driving on salt is fun.

[HardDrive]

My dad has an early 2000s Ford F-350 diesel. 200k miles, some rust in the quarters. His mechanic said he could get $20k for it no problem right now.

[pmax]

Yeah, sounds like it's just surface rust and won't be an issue I wouldn't worry about it.

[stevej37]

surface rust?? Oh wait...that's what my Fit has.

[pmax]

Wire brush.

[pmax]

Better than the Fit.

[aigel]

It is quite something. Specifically the local Toyota dealer has so few inventory on the lot, I thought they had shut down / moved.

It isn't a huge problem if you buy the new vehicle for more, as your used vehicle will also fetch 40% (!) more than it did before the pandemic.

I just bought a new truck, had to look at what's in the pipeline online and hunt it down at the dealer the day it came in.

IMHO it will get worse before it gets better, so for me waiting wasn't an option. I use my truck for camping and hunting, so it needs to be extra reliable and capable. And I have a feeling there will be lots of camping to come still before you can go fly around and go to hotels again just for fun and without a bunch of restrictions.

G

[Aurel]

If you wanted everyone to convert to electric cars, you would cause a new car shortage, a run up on used cars, and a rise in gas prices…Nah, electric cars need chips too. Or do they?