UK bound plane crashed in India moments after takeoff

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by afterburn 549

Thanx Jeff=
( I know you know this)
Here in the states, it is darn close to the Honor system . (if the item or AD is fixed)
What is weird?
The trucking industry here in the USA is regulated to the minute.
With POE at every state line , checkpoints all in between with readers that tell what you are, who you are and where you've been
No one gets away with anything anymore. There No such thing as two or three log books.
Buy with the airlines? One would "think" it was at least as good as that ?
Not even close
Funny, weird, right?

I know a BNSF railroad engineer who tells me that they are even more closely scrutinized than truckers. His put is that most of them will never be at the throttle of a passenger locomotive, and most railroading operations take place well away from other motor vehicle operations. In other words, they have the luxury of distance between them and the traffic you guys must navigate on a daily basis. Granted, trains haul massive quantities of often quite hazardous materials, but most accidents are more of an environmental hazard than a real threat to life.

[jyl]

I wonder if the recorders will show what happened but not why it happened?

[Magyar Kiwi]

I do have a question
Do other countries have to comply with ADs?

Yes, the majority of National Aviation Authorities, (Civil Aviation Safety Authority for Australia for example) have a process that automatically mandates ADs issued by the State of Origin for each aircraft type, (FAA for Boeing aircraft).
Cheers

[afterburn 549]

OK, but they are not enforced here (AFAIK) , Now, what is done there? Wherever there is?
That's on the fulcrum that teeters with the honor system.
No one comes along with a badge and checks unless audited, or an incident happens.
In fact, here IDK if the FAA audits commercial airlines for AD compliance.
Here in the PP world, the annual should catch the paperwork, But, it can get buried by devious people .

[Steve Carlton]

I watched some video made by a former F-15 pilot, now airline pilot who said fuel contamination was unlikely since each engine is fed by a different tank and no other jets had a problem at that airport that day. More interestingly, he said maybe there was one engine failure and the pilot shut down the the other engine by mistake. Speculation of course, which he acknowledged. That scenario would come out with the black box data, I would think.

Edit- found the video. The interesting part starts at 16:14:

[javadog]

There have been instances of incorrect amounts of biocide being added to the fuel as it was loaded on a particular plane, which caused problems with that particular plane’s engines.

It’s a remote, but not out of the question possibility.

[911_Dude]

Originally Posted by afterburn 549

Thanx Jeff=
( I know you know this)
Here in the states, it is darn close to the Honor system . (if the item or AD is fixed)
......
Buy with the airlines? One would "think" it was at least as good as that ?
Not even close
Funny, weird, right?

If Im understanding you correctly, your saying the US airlines and their maintenance compliance is close to an "honor system"? If so, that is way off. Part 121 air carriers each have an office of FAA inspectors thats one purpose in life is to ensure compliance with maintenance of aircraft and training of pilots and technicians. Id have to check the stats, but its one reason the US has the best, or at least top 3 best, safety record in the world. It doesn't happen by accident or honor system. Do I think government regulation is the best thing since bourbon was invented- no. But there are some things you definitly want to be regulated by competent inspectors. Honor system would be something like Pakistan Airlines. No comparison to a US airline for safety.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by 911_Dude

If Im understanding you correctly, your saying the US airlines and their maintenance compliance is close to an "honor system"? If so, that is way off.

It is way off.

The company I owned and recently sold my shares for had an FAA composite repair ticket. They still do.

It was a beast to gain, an effort to keep.

As it should be.

[afterburn 549]

One I know nothing about commercial aviation.
My info is /was based on the TV show showing all the crashes and investigations.
One where the wing fell off an amphibious aircraft from improper repairs and a lot of cover-ups.
I think that was in Florida?
Thanx for the facts.

[Magyar Kiwi]

It is not an "honor system".
Certificate holders (Part 121 etc.) are subject to over sight and regular audits by their National Aviation Authorities.

From time to time systemic (swiss cheese) failures occur, often when the Certificate Holder is in a tight financial position.
Link to the NTSB Report regarding the accident you are referring to below:
Cheers

https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/AAR0704.pdf

[3rd_gear_Ted]

Analysis of the audio shows the RAT (Ram Air Turbine) was deployed right after take off.

Were these Rolls Royce or G.E. engines on the 787?

https://airlive.net/reports/2025/06/18/why-air-india-boeing-787-flight-ai171-was-unable-to-climb-and-losing-power-triggering-rat-deployment/

[javadog]

Ge

[afterburn 549]

To the point and maybe said already, the odds of both engines foding out is quite unlikely.
Bird strikes, as we have seen, will do it.
So far no one has reported a flock of them on the flight path.
It comes down to no fuel for whatever the reason. ( IMO)

[Steve Carlton]

Fuel shut-off switches being triggered seems plausible.

[javadog]

The fuel shutoff valves require electric power to change state. So, that doesn't explain it.

[Steve Carlton]

This guy seems to be highly regarded, at least in the Facebook community. I'm going to keep an eye on his site. He discounts the fuel shut-off valves, too.

https://www.facebook.com/AirCrashDetective

[jyl]

Is it odd to have heard nothing about data recorder information by now? Or normal?

I realize investigations take time. OTOH, people are getting on Air India and 787 flights every day, and they should know what there is to know when it is known. This isn’t a Titan situation where the investigation could take forever (and it did) because no-one was going in the Titan ever again.

[javadog]

There is more to the process of recovering the data than you would think. In addition,I think that the only recorder that will have any information of any use was the front one, and it would not surprise me if that one was heavily damaged. It took them three more days to recover that one, after they found the one in the back of the plane.

[greglepore]

And, the investigating authority might delay it a bit b/c...
Eventually we'll get an answer. It took a good long time to get sort of an answer on the Korean 37.

[flatbutt]

Heck the FAA just came out with its final report on the Boeing door blowout.