Not Camissa, but Haggerty, not a race, but 2 extreme 911s

[masraum]

Sometimes a Porsche 911 with a McLaren Formula 1 engine in the back just isn’t enough, and so we paired the amazing TAG Turbo with the wild 700bhp RUF CTR. And just in case the duo wasn’t eye catching enough on its own, Broad Arrow happened to have access to both in one of the most fabulous Porsche paint colours - Mint Green (mintgrün - code 22R). These are our Extra Strong Mints!

Henry Catchpole certainly had his hands full with this pair at Anglesey circuit, but both delivered unforgettable experiences. The TAG Turbo is one of 11 cars made by Lanzante in tribute to an original Porsche mule. That factory car was built to test the famous turbocharged V6 that McLaren used in its Formula 1 cars from 1983 to 1987, winning three driver’s championships and 2 constructor’s championships. The engine in this particular car, AP87, was used by Alain Prost for three races, with a best result of third place at the 1987 Hungarian Grand Prix.

The original RUF CTR is a legend thanks to the 1980s Yellowbird and the film Fascination on the Nürburgring. This is the modern iteration of that car, now with 700bhp and a carbon fibre chassis (you can find out more about the chassis in our recent RUF film featuring the SCR). With a seven-speed, manual gearbox and 649lb ft of turbocharged torque going to the rear wheels, it certainly lives up to the legend of its wild forebear.

Both cars are fabulously finished and very distinct to drive. The TAG Turbo is incredibly well sorted and nothing like as unruly or one-dimensional as it might sound. Equally, the RUF has a real smoothness and air of usability to it, in spite of the crazy numbers. Another nice link between the two cars is that both six-cylinder engines were originally designed by the legendary Hans Mezger.

[masraum]

It's a tough one, but I think if i had to choose between the two (without driving them both) the one that I think appeals the most is the TAG 930.

[GH85Carrera]

I got to sit behind the wheel of the original Yellowbird. It was parked inside so no starting it.

I did get to see it driving around.

Either of those cars are for people that can afford HUGE maintenance bills. The TAG would be really hard to find anyone but the factory to touch it. RUF does have some USA dealerships as I remember.

Both are cars we will never see in person.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

I got to sit behind the wheel of the original Yellowbird. It was parked inside so no starting it.

I did get to see it driving around.

Either of those cars are for people that can afford HUGE maintenance bills. The TAG would be really hard to find anyone but the factory to touch it. RUF does have some USA dealerships as I remember.

Both are cars we will never see in person.

I think there's a Ruf place in Dallas, so both you and I should get one or two would be better (to drive when one is getting an oil change). Dallas would be a short, cheap tow for both of us when maintenance was needed.

[look 171]

I have seen both cars in person several times at places like Rennsport and other Porsche events. I never asked and didn't want to sound like a dummy, but my thinking is the TAG 930 has all its power up top so it must need to be rev way up to get it going and only fun on the track? Maybe they de-tuned it for the street with a bit more lower end grunt whereas the RUF car is basically a highly tuned street/track car. My answer would be the RUF even though I think they look a bit cartoonish.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by look 171

I have seen both cars in person several times at places like Rennsport and other Porsche events. I never asked and didn't want to sound like a dummy, but my thinking is the TAG 930 has all its power up top so it must need to be rev way up to get it going and only fun on the track? Maybe they de-tuned it for the street with a bit more lower end grunt whereas the RUF car is basically a highly tuned street/track car. My answer would be the RUF even though I think they look a bit cartoonish.

Yes, the motor has been retuned for a street car. Apparently, in qualifying trim, it would make over 1000hp at 11,500rpm at 4bar boost. The one in the 930 in the video makes 510hp at 9000rpm at 3bar boost. And the whole car only weighs 2250#.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Great videos as always. Guess there’s always the lottery!

[oldE]

That video showed up in my feed a few months ago. Very nice toys for well heeled big boys and girls. The sounds make me want to be subjected to a drive by.

[john70t]

re: "Sometimes a Porsche 911 with a McLaren Formula 1 engine in the back just isn’t enough"

https://www.mclarenpalmbeach.com/mclaren-information/mclaren-formula-1-engine/
Mercedes-Benz built engines for McLaren for 20 continuous campaigns, but in 2015, McLaren switched to Honda, and then, to Renault in 2018. That said, the McLaren team is returning to Mercedes-Benz and has signed a 4-year contract in 2020, which is good through 2025.

As Mercedes-Benz dominates the V6 twin-turbocharged hybrid performance sector, we think this move is exceptionally shrewd.

[look 171]

Originally Posted by masraum

Yes, the motor has been retuned for a street car. Apparently, in qualifying trim, it would make over 1000hp at 11,500rpm at 4bar boost. The one in the 930 in the video makes 510hp at 9000rpm at 3bar boost. And the whole car only weighs 2250#.

A stock 930 weight about 3200 lbs. To get it down to 2200 lbs, it must be carbon body panels and a seriously weight lost program. I have a 72 race/street car with a 2.7, fiberglass hood, trunk and all unnecessary interior items torn out including parking brakes, and window washer motor. It weights 2180 with a 1/4 tank of fuel. That TAG engine must weight little. Amazing what little money can do. I have a 3.4L built 930 engine in my 930 pushing 460 with pump gas (about 360 at the wheels). Its frightening to drive if you don't hang on to the steering wheel and be good with the gas pedal around the turns. When I last saw that TAG car, all the interior is re-done very nicely with everything intact. amazing how they can reduce all that weight with all that intact.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by look 171

A stock 930 weight about 3200 lbs. To get it down to 2200 lbs, it must be carbon body panels and a seriously weight lost program. I have a 72 race/street car with a 2.7, fiberglass hood, trunk and all unnecessary interior items torn out including parking brakes, and window washer motor. It weights 2180 with a 1/4 tank of fuel. That TAG engine must weight little. Amazing what little money can do. I have a 3.4L built 930 engine in my 930 pushing 460 with pump gas (about 360 at the wheels). Its frightening to drive if you don't hang on to the steering wheel and be good with the gas pedal around the turns. When I last saw that TAG car, all the interior is re-done very nicely with everything intact. amazing how they can reduce all that weight with all that intact.

I thought the same, the interior has what looks like front and rear seats, but the car weighs 2250? (and per the video, that's wet). But they did say that there's a bunch of carbon fiber, and the exhaust is titanium and inconel (sp), I think. I'm sure no expense was spared. It must be a beast! 2250 is the weight of a very early, no frills miata, except that TAG 930 had a 500hp turbo F1 motor that revs to 9k. I can't even imagine.