911 S or Turbo S?

[rattlsnak]

Funny you guys mention the manual trans.. After owning my GT3 for several years, I can promise you I would NEVER buy another manual trans from Porsche. The PDK is mechanical perfection. Yes, it's that good. But otherwise, lots of good points brought up. Yes I would love to buy a new Turbo S compared to a new 911S but we're talking about a 2014ish vs a 2022ish model. I know the Turbo is a better car and will hold it's value more but I just think the 992s look SO much better. I LOVE the rear wrap around lights/grille! That's why I'm having so much difficulty choosing. I know thw turbo is better car but the 992 just looks SO much better to me.. !!

[rattlsnak]

Originally Posted by look 171

Look into the Turbo S. Being an S, they are rare. I hardly see the S around here and we have more 911s then any other place on earth (I see at least 10 every time I drive out of the house). There are a few turbos floating around the LA basin but only seen a coupe of Ss.

It's the complete opposite every where else. A base turbo would be great as it has steel brakes and 5- lug wheels but they are very rare and hard to find. Turbo S models are everywhere!

[GH85Carrera]

It is pretty much the Ginger or Mary Ann argument.

Both or either are not something I will really truly want to have, or own.

And the PDK is just astonishing. After a two days of track time in PDK cars at Barber Motorsports I really do see the appeal. I will stick to my antique with a 915 transmission that was paid for in he last millennium and has increased in value 5 fold from purchase price.

[911boost]

Originally Posted by rattlsnak

Funny you guys mention the manual trans.. After owning my GT3 for several years, I can promise you I would NEVER buy another manual trans from Porsche. The PDK is mechanical perfection. Yes, it's that good. But otherwise, lots of good points brought up. Yes I would love to buy a new Turbo S compared to a new 911S but we're talking about a 2014ish vs a 2022ish model. I know the Turbo is a better car and will hold it's value more but I just think the 992s look SO much better. I LOVE the rear wrap around lights/grille! That's why I'm having so much difficulty choosing. I know thw turbo is better car but the 992 just looks SO much better to me.. !!

I would not sell my manual 997.2 GT3RS for any of the new PDK equipped only 911 models.

So yeah, different strokes for different folks.

You seem to be the new market Porsche is targeting. What’s your Instagram?

[look 171]

Originally Posted by 911boost

I would not sell my manual 997.2 GT3RS for any of the new PDK equipped only 911 models.

So yeah, different strokes for different folks.

You seem to be the new market Porsche is targeting. What’s your Instagram?

I really don't think he's Porsche's target market. The PDk is superior in anyway when it comes to the stop watch and racing. For everyday driving, sure, I like to be stirring a stick too, old fashion like my flip phone. Sure, I like to flip it out once every blue moon, but I like my I phone for its intended purpose. If Porsche offered a stick and PDK for the 992 Turbo S, I would buy the PDK for my gentleman's racer car for the street. That's what the Turbo

[911boost]

Agree on it being faster, but for the street…. I would still choose a manual.

Edit: To add to the driving engagement, I have driven a PDK car and the technology is cool, I am just not concerned with it being that split second quicker.

[look 171]

Originally Posted by 911boost

Agree on it being faster, but for the street…. I would still choose a manual.

Edit: To add to the driving engagement, I have driven a PDK car and the technology is cool, I am just not concerned with it being that split second quicker.

Oh yeah, I like to drive a stick shift too but for a company that has to stay on top and compete in those split seconds, sells cars. Those Ring records and race wins helps and I think that's why they reserve the T with a stick shift box for those of us who still like the thrill of driving up into the canyons. I am not saying the PDK box isn't fun in the canyon, but I jsut enjoy my stick shift car up in the Angeles Crest a lot more. Split seconds doesn't mean much up there

[onewhippedpuppy]

I was dedicated (or dumb) enough to buy a Gladiator with a stick. Pretty much says it all.

I would agree with the 992 looking better than the 991 though, I find the 991 styling to be a bit “amorphous blob”. I think the 992 is more distinctive looking.

[911boost]

^My 2020 4-door Rubicon was a stick as well Matt. Boy was that thing a dog.

I too prefer the 992 styling over the 991, particularly is some of the grey and silver colors.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by 911boost

^My 2020 4-door Rubicon was a stick as well Matt. Boy was that thing a dog.

I too prefer the 992 styling over the 991, particularly is some of the grey and silver colors.

With a fiberglass topper, steel bumpers front and rear, a winch, and slightly oversized tires, mine was miserable on the highway. It desperately needed a regear…..or a Hemi swap.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by zakthor

I like the smooth lines on the turbo s but… both these cars are huge and heavy and not so engaging to drive. I’ve driven both and… my hearts not in it.

I'm not remotely the target consumer of either of these. If I was going to purchase one of the newer Porsches, I'd probably stick with one of the sporty Cayman/Boxster options. If I was going to go for a modern, large, heavy 911, and was considering the 911S or Turbo S, I think I'd go for the one with the most grunt.

[rattlsnak]

Done a lot more research.. leaning towards spending a little bit more and going with the 991.2 Turbo. ( non S .. too scared of the replacement costs of the PCCBs !)

[look 171]

Originally Posted by rattlsnak

Done a lot more research.. leaning towards spending a little bit more and going with the 991.2 Turbo. ( non S .. too scared of the replacement costs of the PCCBs !)

According to many, the rotor do not wear that much. Pads are reasonable. If you need rotors on all 4 corners, they run 25k and that was few years ago. Hey, they stop REALLY well. The.2 cars have a different Turbo, larger I think. With that kind of power, I am not sure if 40 or 50 is noticeable? Similar to having 50 mil of free spending money VS having 55 mil. I like the .2 interior better.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by rattlsnak

Done a lot more research.. leaning towards spending a little bit more and going with the 991.2 Turbo. ( non S .. too scared of the replacement costs of the PCCBs !)

Drive sanely, and I doubt you could ever wear them out.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Carbon rotors are like when I put Victoracers on my 84, great for the track, street not so much.

[vash]

damn..sophies choice!!

[look 171]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

Carbon rotors are like when I put Victoracers on my 84, great for the track, street not so much.

Shaun, lot of tracks guys around here swap then out for traditional rotors. One it cost and the performance benefit does isn't too great.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

^^^ makes perfect sense to me. Not everyone needs to be Patrick Long.

When I first set out on the Victoracers it was a hot sunny. Braked leading up to a stop sign, slid right through the intersection.

[look 171]

I am super impressed with my carbon setup on the Turbo S. I had to relearn my pedal pressure. No sign of wear or the best, brake dust. Not only they are good for a day on the track but perfect for aggressive street driving. This is a street car, a blvd cruiser

[911boost]

I have PCCBs on my 911 and they are great. If you keep your eyes open you can find lightly used ones for half the price of new. I have a set with very low miles in my basement in a wooden crate in the event I ever have to replace mine.

It is also possible to switch to Surface Transfoms if the stock ones wear out, although I have heard grumbling of poor customer service with ST.

It’s like the hand of god stopping you with the ceramics. Worth it in my book, the center locks on the S would be more of a concern than the PCCBs. They were an option on the non S 991.2 Turbo’s