the art of war

[Brother]

Originally posted by svandamme
well , if enemies aren't growing stronger, then why the hell have we been seeing terrorist action here in holland , where previously the imports basically kept themself busy with normal , money making ( drugs, thieving, robberies )

how come suddenly 2 crews on 2 days had some fun in the subway in the UK?
Madrid?

i mean , blowing yourself up or assasinating somebody in plain view(and life sentence ) isn't really something you do for a hobby now is it? it's not a good livelyhood.

before 9/11 and our stupid european gouvernements tagging along singing and dancing towards iraq , we never had any raghead incidents...
we had irish , spanish , and other splinter groups , but no ragheads.

Because our resolve hasn't been shaken, and you are demonstrating the thinking that makes your countries a better target.

If you have hesitation in your 911 and you change the fuel filter, but you still get the hesitation, would you change the fuel filter again or go work on some other part?

[svandamme]

Originally posted by Rikao4
Okay, besides good pot,cheese,wooden clogs and tulips..just what is Holland bringing to the party..
Rika

the cheese ain't that good, it's one flavour only , the clogs are crap and tulips are for sissies
the food is crap, the country is to flat, the beer is pisswater

btw, i'm not dutch , i just make my money here

[Rikao4]

thanks Stijn, just pulling at you...I like Holland,spent lots of hazy moments there..and your right about the food....
Rika

[Brother]

Originally posted by svandamme


i'll agree, it was a good move for the sake of the US, Europe and the whole world , but it wasn't the 123 here's superman to save the day.
and economically the US did make seriously well with WW2 aftermath,
you had the Brittish on a leash, kept them from developping certain technology , or confiscated the technology ( the UK would have had the first supersonic plane if they weren't ****canned from higher up, and the US wouldn't have gone supersonic so soon if it weren't for the English plan for the single piece stabilizer , to name one thing) and paying of the war dept...

If our whole economy was based on supersonic aviation, what you just said would have been somewhat worthwhile; however, we exploded economically due to geography, commodities, and a free system of limited government and capitalism. Our bonus prize was that we had no craters, destroyed buildings, or diminished infrastructure.

Anyhow, this was never the argument brought up here. We are in the now! We are in WWIII. There are 15 major religious conflicts in the world and they all involve Islam vs. everyone else. Muslims make babies faster and have ridiculously low productivity which is the worst possible combination.

[svandamme]

Originally posted by Brother

Anyhow, this was never the argument brought up here.

you might wanna read the whole thread over again.

[skipdup]

Originally posted by RoninLB
there's been a push for tactical nukes from the military for a few yr's now. I figure that Israel will do the experimenting, if necessary, on Iran some day. Otherwise the politics over here is a bit more complicated.

As I watch the news and reports on the happenings at the UN... Some day may be sooner than we think.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by Rikao4
thanks Stijn, just pulling at you...I like Holland,spent lots of hazy moments there..and your right about the food....
Rika

I made the mistake of not watching how the locals did it in Amsterdam, I proceeded to roll a fat one American style, and I sorta just entered the primordial ooze, melted off the stained couch and became one with nothingness...Four days later I went to France.

[Rikao4]

Most animals will not sh@t in their living quarters, That part of the world is just a litter box with oil..and evolution takes time..
Rika

[304065]

Your name is Stijn Vandamme, but you are not Dutch?

[svandamme]

that's correct
Vandamme is by no means a dutch surname
Van means from
Damme is a town in Flanders, Belgium

not related to Jean Claude Van Damme
who isn't even flemish , and his real name is
"Jean-Claude Camille François Van Varenberg"
which for obvious reasons got ditched in favour of a more cool sounding name..

[Rikao4]

Real name Abu Daubi Nazez, I write anti american headlines for Al Jazerra

[304065]

Well I'll be a monkey's uncle.

Bono= Paul Hewson
Dido= Florian Cloud de Bounevialle Armstrong
Elton John= Reginald Dwight
Freddie Mercury = Farrokh Bulsara
Sting= Gordon Sumner

And the mother of them all. . .

Gerry Dorsey= Englebert Humperdinck

[Drago]

Don't forget...

The Edge = Dave Evans

[kach22i]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
Apparently doing nothing about it wasn't working...We tried that for what, 50 years?...They are Islamofascists and they need to be stopped.

Apparently doing nothing about it wasn't working

Nothing in the past 50 years:

Creation of Israel

Putting the Shah of Iran into power - over a democratically elected govenment.

Selling weapons to Iran with weapons purchased with CIA cocaine money in exchange for releasing hostages from day one Reagan took over.

Helping Saddam into power and helping him keep power (CIA way back and selling chemicals/Reagan).

Training Osama bin Ladden to fight the soviets (one hundred stinger missiles missing).

Shall I continue?

Don't even get me started on the Saudi's or Quatar.

[svandamme]

lol

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by kach22i
Apparently doing nothing about it wasn't working

Nothing in the past 50 years:

Creation of Israel

It was their land in the first place...They got approximately 13% of what was promised them.

Putting the Shah of Iran into power - over a democratically elected govenment.

Selling weapons to Iran with weapons purchased with CIA cocaine money in exchange for releasing hostages from day one Reagan took over.

The Shah was infinitely more just and Democrat than the Ayatollah...Who is a tyrannical dictator. "Democratically elected" indeed...Why is it leftists like yourself overlook corruption and fundamentalist communist or Islamic dictatorships and defend them and their respective tyrannies by saying they were democratically elected?

You can thank that brilliant tactician, Jimma Carter for the ushering in of the Ayatollah...Go ask an Iranian refugee what he thinks about that nincompoop Carter and his forsaking of the Iranian people into the dicatorship it is now.

Helping Saddam into power and helping him keep power (CIA way back and selling chemicals/Reagan).

Yep, thanks to Jimma Carter Iran became a massive problem and Reagan and friends saw a way to circumvent the communist friendly Democrats by trading arms for hostages...It was successful.

Training Osama bin Ladden to fight the soviets (one hundred stinger missiles missing).

Probably wasn't a good idea joining forces with Joe Stalin, against Hitler, but the communist spies in America thought it a good idea at the time...What is interesting about that is the Republicans didn't politicize the war like the Democrats are doing to Iraq now.

Shall I continue?

Don't even get me started on the Saudi's or Quatar. [/B]

Why, your foot is already in your mouth.

[RoninLB]

Originally posted by TerryBPP

I bought an awful version of this a year or 2 ago. It read like VCR instructions. Can anyone recommend a good author?

it took awhile to come up with a suggestion because the small businessman that I lent it to all of a sudden can't remember to at least give me the author's name. I lent it because he was enjoying business tension and figured this author was easily related to his situation compared to the other authors I have of the book. So I searched and found the author.

James Clavell
ISBN 0-385--299850-0

[Superman]

Didn't read all the replies but I did read Sun Tsu's book, and Dan is correct. My favorite story (someone must have failed to read this particular chapter to Dubya) is of the King's concubines. The King was bored and asked General Tsu to teach his concubines to march. The General strongly warned against the decision but the King insisted. When the concubines giggled rather than take serious note of the General's instructions, he executed the King's favorite concubine.

The concubines became attentive. The King learned at least two things. The cost of war is high, and to be avoided if possible. And in war, the General, not the King, is in charge.

Dubya's dad understood this, which is why Desert Storm was so completely effective, and brief.

As I said, Dan is right. The military is good at pulverizing and controlling real estate. Not orchestrating democracy. Usign military for speading democracy is like using a screwdriver for pounding nails. You guys who pretend as though diplomacy is for sissies, are going to notice that spreading democracy will require it, and that Dubya has no capability and therefore no inclination in this area.

I didn't like Kerry or Edwards. But if they had been elected, the nation would be FAR better off.

[kach22i]

Originally posted by Brother
We are in the now! We are in WWIII. There are 15 major religious conflicts in the world and they all involve Islam vs. everyone else. Muslims make babies faster and have ridiculously low productivity which is the worst possible combination.

1. WW III - Yes

2. Islam vs. everyone else - a list would help, bet you are right though.

3. Muslims make babies faster - Yes

4. and have ridiculously low productivity - Not the ones that make it to the USA, must be the lazy ones left behind that you know.

5. worst possible combination - for who? Do you want to lose your job to them.

[kach22i]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
The Shah was infinitely more just and Democrat than the Ayatollah...

Oh boy, it sure would help if you knew your history a little better. That's not what I was talking about at all. Please click on the simple time-line link below and catch up with the class.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/618649.stm

1953 Dr Mossadeq is overthrown in a coup by pro-Shah officers with British and American assistance.