Young singers spread racist hate

[curlesw]

Originally posted by VaSteve
This is why home-schooling is a bad idea. No access to other children creates problems. This is an extreme example.

Give me a break...you are wrong, very wrong. Nevermind...

[FrayAdjacent911]

He's got a point curlesw. Now, I'm a bit of the conservative here, and I think homeschooling can be good... but I think too much isolation, especially with a family that has extreme views, can yeild some pretty F-ed up kids.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally posted by techweenie
Examples?

Tech, if you have been paying attention at all in the last decade or so, you cannot possibly have missed this one. I have no examples. I do not follow the rap scene close enough to regurgitate lyrics on demand. Hell. I don't even know the "artists'" names. I'm not going to surf the net looking for them to satisfy you; you can do that yourself and have proven to be quite adept at finding what you want. I'm also most certainly not going to fall for the age-old dodge that "if he can't produce examples, evidence, it must not be true". This has come up in the mainstream media time and time again, only to be met with the collective yawn of our nation. I'm sure if you dig you'll find your own examples.

So HardDrive, I can only assume that you have fallen in with the camp that claims their current behavior is excusable because of this four hundred years of oppression. They have every right to be angry today because of the sufferings of their forefathers, right? Right... ALL white people are guilty, right? Right... You appologize and make excuses for others' bad behavior; never expecting or demanding better from them. You are unwittingly oppressing them with that attitude, all the while climbing up on your high horse to decry their past oppression. That, my friend, is truly absurd.

[BlueSkyJaunte]

Ice Cube

[FrayAdjacent911]

I'm with Jeff.

[Mulhollanddose]

That is socialism for ya.

[Por_sha911]

Originally posted by VaSteve
This is why home-schooling is a bad idea.

Really! They need to be forced to go to a public school where they are sold that being queer or atheist is OK! What are these people thinking? Reality Check: Home School is NOT the problem. HATRED in the heart of the parent is the problem. I seriously doubt that these girls grew up in a vacuum. They watch TV, listen to music, talk with friends. They may be deceived but they are not naive.

[VaSteve]

Originally posted by Por_sha911
Really! They need to be forced to go to a public school where they are sold that being queer or atheist is OK! What are these people thinking? Reality Check: Home School is NOT the problem. HATRED in the heart of the parent is the problem. I seriously doubt that this girls grew up in a vacuum. They watch TV, listen to music, talk with friends. They may be deceived but they are not naive.

Exposure to things outside the family makes you more well rounded. If you get all your information from one source especially with their slant on everything, this is the product. I stand by my original statement.

Regarding "being queer or atheist," it is the parent's job to instill values and translate what children see into something they can understand and how it fits into a particular family's values. Everyone has to integrate into society eventually.

If these children went to public school, they wouldn't have gotten this far with their "artistry" someone else would have taken care of them in the form of a beating or a phone call to Mom (which in this case, admittedly, wouldn't have done any good).

[Jared at Pelican Parts]

Originally posted by Shaun 84 Targa

Am I the only one who laughed at this?

[pwd72s]

Originally posted by Jared Fenton
Am I the only one who laughed at this?

Nope...

[Por_sha911]

Originally posted by VaSteve
Exposure to things outside the family makes you more well rounded. If you get all your information from one source especially with their slant on everything, this is the product. I stand by my original statement.

Regarding "being queer or atheist," it is the parent's job to instill values and translate what children see into something they can understand and how it fits into a particular family's values. Everyone has to integrate into society eventually.

You are conflicting your own logic. On one hand you say that "exposure to things outside makes you well rounded" but then you say that "it's the parents job to instill values". So does the exposure to outside things over-ride the parent's influence or not?
I believe that the parents would have instilled their values even if the kids were exposed to the well-rounding outside things. Hence, there is no inherent evil to home-schooling. Besides, as I said before: "I seriously doubt that these girls grew up in a vacuum. They watch TV, listen to music, talk with friends. They may be deceived but they are not naive."

[amity914]

The video game they were playing is what killed me. And grandpa has the swastika as his cattle brand...WTF. Racists breeding racists. With any luck they will grow up and learn about culture and diversity(they are heading for the Pacific NW). Besides, they are crappy singers anyways.

Hiedi

[VaSteve]

Originally posted by Por_sha911
You are conflicting your own logic. On one hand you say that "exposure to things outside makes you well rounded" but then you say that "it's the parents job to instill values". So does the exposure to outside things over-ride the parent's influence or not?

Sometimes yes sometimes no. I'm sure as a kid you parents told you things. When you got older, you realized they added their bias to something.

Children will be exposed to all sorts of things, I think being gay or atheiest were the examples. They will bring those experiences home where it's still always the parents job to say "in this family, we do things this way..." When you get older you get to question your beliefs. If you spend all your life never being exposed to things, on your own with your peers, you won't have the proper faculties to survive this world.

I believe that the parents would have instilled their values even if the kids were exposed to the well-rounding outside things. Hence, there is no inherent evil to home-schooling. Besides, as I said before: "I seriously doubt that these girls grew up in a vacuum. They watch TV, listen to music, talk with friends. They may be deceived but they are not naive."

There is no inherant "evil" in homeschooling. However, what are the checks and balances to ensure that it is done properly or consistently? Apparently, those controls failed in this situation.

We must also, in this case, question these friends you refer to. Were they also brainwashed in the home? Would you let your children be friends with these kids? I don't know jack sqaut about where they grew up (sounds like a ranch or something in Bakersfield). A ranch to me (from the DC burbs) is about as vacuum as you could get.

[techweenie]

Originally posted by Jeff Higgins
Tech, if you have been paying attention at all in the last decade or so, you cannot possibly have missed this one. I have no examples.....

I'm also most certainly not going to fall for the age-old dodge that "if he can't produce examples, evidence, it must not be true".

Sorry, requesting accuracy is not a "dodge."

[Bill Douglas]

Attention seekers.

I find it quite refreshing after all this black motha focker **** we are forced to listen to.

They sure are cute... opps, how old did you say they were.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by Jared Fenton
Am I the only one who laughed at this?

I don't find that funny at all.

[SlowToady]

edit for reading the article:-D

[Jared at Pelican Parts]

Originally posted by pwd72s
Nope...

Nice to see we agree on something

[WolfeMacleod]

Prussian Blue?
Too bad they had to steal the name from These guys

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally posted by techweenie
Sorry, requesting accuracy is not a "dodge."

Sorry tech, examples do not equate to accuracy. The statements are accurate whether examples are provided or not. Examples provide support or verification, but add nothing to accuracy. I think you know the difference. Just where are you going with this?

Edit: This is kind of long; sorry about that. Results of about a two minute Google search on "racist rap lyrics". "Violent rap lyrics" works too. I'm sure our content editor will edit out much of the vulgarity, but here we go anyway. For tech's edification:

"Kill the white people; we gonna make them hurt; kill the white people; but buy my record first; ha, ha, ha";
"Kill d'White People"; Apache, Apache Ain't ****, 1993, Tommy Boy Music, Time Warner, USA.

"Niggas in the church say: kill whitey all night long. . . . the white man is the devil. . . . the CRIPS and Bloods are soldiers I'm recruiting with no dispute; drive-by shooting on this white genetic mutant. . . . let's go and kill some rednecks. . . . Menace Clan ain't afraid. . . . I got the .380; the homies think I'm crazy because I shot a white baby; I said; I said; I said: kill whitey all night long. . . . a nigga dumping on your white ass; **** this rap ****, nigga, I'm gonna blast. . . . I beat a white boy to the mother****ing ground";
"Kill Whitey"; Menace Clan, Da Hood, 1995, Rap-A-Lot Records, Noo Trybe Records, subsidiaries of what was called Thorn EMI and now is called The EMI Group, United Kingdom.

"Devils fear this brand new ****. . . . I bleed them next time I see them. . . . I pray on these devils. . . . look what it has come to; who you gonna run to when we get to mobbing. . . . filling his body up with lead, yah; cracker in my way; slitting, slit his throat; watch his body shake; watch his body shake; that's how we do it in the mother****ing [San Francisco] Bay. . . .

Sitting on the dock of the dirty with my AK"; "Heat-featuring Jet and Spice 1";
Paris, Unleashed, 1998, Unleashed Records, Whirling Records.

"These devils make me sick; I love to fill them full of holes; kill them all in the daytime, broad mother****ing daylight; 12 o'clock, grab the Glock; why wait for night"; "Sweatin Bullets"; Brand Nubian, Everything Is Everything, 1994, Elektra Entertainment, Warner Communications, Time Warner, USA.

"A fight, a fight, a nigger and a white, if the nigger don't win then we all jump in. . . . smoking all [of] America's white boys";

"A Fight"; Apache, Apache Ain't ****, 1993, Tommy Boy Music, Time Warner, USA.
"I kill a devil right now. . . . I say kill whitey all nightey long. . . .I stabbed a ****ing Jew with a steeple. . . . I would kill a cracker for nothing, just for the **** of it. . . . Menace Clan kill a cracker; jack 'em even quicker. . . . catch that devil slipping; blow his ****ing brains out";
"**** a Record Deal"; Menace Clan, Da Hood, 1995, Rap-A-Lot Records, Noo Trybe Records, subsidiaries of Thorn EMI; called The EMI Group since 1997, United Kingdom.

"Now I'm black but black people trip [become upset] 'cause white people like me; white people like me but don't like them. . . . I don't hate whites, I just gotta death wish for mother****ers that ain't right";
"Race War"; Ice-T, Home Invasion, 1993, Priority Records, Thorn EMI; now called The EMI Group, United Kingdom.

"To all my Universal Soldier's: stay at attention while I strategize an invasion; the mission be assassination, snipers hitting Caucasians with semi-automatic shots heard around the world; my plot is to control the globe and hold the world hostage. . . . see, I got a war plan more deadlier than Hitler. . . . lyrical specialist, underworld terrorist. . . . keep the unity thick like mud. . . . I pulling out gats [handguns], launching deadly attacks"; "Blood for Blood"; Killarmy, Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars, 1997, Wu-Tang Records, Priority Records, The EMI Group, United Kingdom.


"Lead to the head of you devils"; "Lick Dem Mutha*****as-Remix"; Brand Nubian, Everything Is Everything, 1994, Elektra Entertainment, Warner Communications, Time Warner, USA.

"This will all be over in '99, so, niggas, give devils the crime; gonna be more devils dying";
"No Surrender"; Bone Thugs-N-Harmony, Creepin on ah Come Up, 1994, Ruthless Records, Epic Records, Sony Music Entertainment, Sony, Japan.


"Won't be satisfied until the devils-I see them all dead. . . . my brother is sending me more guns from down South. . . . pale face. . . . it's all about brothers rising up, wising up, sizing up our situation. . . . you be ****ing with my turf when you be ****ing with my race; now face your maker and take your last breadth; the time is half-past death. . . . it's the Armageddon. . . . go into the garage; find that old camouflage. . . . cracker-shooting nightly";

"What the ****"; Brand Nubian, Everything Is Everything, 1994, Elektra Entertainment, Warner Communications, Time Warner, USA.

".44 ways to get paid. . . . I'm through with talking to these devils; now I'm ready to blast";
"44 Wayz-featuring Mystic"; Paris, Unleashed, 1998, Unleashed Records, Whirling Records.
"Like my niggas from South Central Los Angeles they found that they couldn't handle us; Bloods, CRIPS, on the same squad, with the Essays [Latino gangbangers] up, and nigga, it's time to rob and mob and break the white man off something lovely";

"The Day the Niggaz Took Over"; Dr Dre, The Chronic, 1993, Interscope Records, under Time Warner in 1993.
"Bust a Glock; devils get shot. . . . when God give the word me herd like the buffalo through the neighborhood; watch me blast. . . . I'm killing more crackers than Bosnia-Herzegovina, each and everyday. . . . don't bust until you see the whites of his eyes, the whites of his skin. . . . Louis Farrakhan . . . Bloods and CRIPS, and little old me, and we all getting ready for the enemy"; "Enemy"; Ice Cube, Lethal Injection, 1993, Priority Records, Thorn EMI; now called The EMI Group, United Kingdom.

"Devil, to gangbanging there's a positive side and the positive side is this-sooner than later the brothers will come to Islam, and they will be the soldiers for the war; what war, you ask; Armageddon; ha, ha, ha, ha, ha";
"Armageddon"; RBX, The RBX Files, 1995, Premeditated Records, Warner Brother Records, Time Warner, USA.
"Subtract the devils that get smoked. . . . we're people, black people; steal your mind back, don't die in their wilderness. . . . let's point our heaters [handguns] the other way";
"Dial 7"; Digable Planets, Blowout Comb, 1994, Pendulum Records, Thorn EMI; now called The EMI Group, United Kingdom.

"Get them devil-made guns and leave them demons bleeding; give them back whips, and just feed them bullets";
"Wicked Ways"; Sunz of Man, One Million Strong: The Album, 1995, Mergela Records, Solar/Hines Co., Prolific Records.

"It's time to send the devil to the essence. . . . this is a must because there ain't no reform or trust; you got a Glock and you see a devil, bust... . they'll be calling us the trigger men, the nappy-knotty red-beard devil-assassin; Lord make a law; at midnight I'll be bashing. . . . field niggas [are] locked in until 2005";
"Field N#gguhz in a Huddle"; Professor Griff, Blood of the Prophet; 1998, Lethal Records, Mercury Records, PolyGram, Phillips' Electronics NV, Netherlands. PolyGram merged with Universal Music Group in 1998, the parent being The Seagram Company of Canada.

"He prays on old white ladies [who] drive the Mercedes with the windows cracked. . . . you should've heard the ***** screaming. . . . sticking guns in crackers' mouths. . . . the cops can't stop it. . . . remember 4-29-92, come on; Florence and Normandy coming to a corner near you, cracker; we've been through your area, mass hysteria; led by your mother****ing Menace Clan";
"Mad Nigga"; Menace Clan, Da Hood, 1995, Rap-A-Lot Records, Noo Trybe Records, Time Warner, USA.

"The black man is god. . . . buy a Tec [and] let loose in the Vatican. . . .
I love the black faces; so put your Bible in the attic";
"Ain't No Mystery"; Brand Nubian, In God We Trust, 1992, Elektra Entertainment, Warner Communications, Time Warner, USA.


"Rhymes is rugged like burnt buildings in Harlem; the Ol Dirty Bastard. . . . I'm also militant. . . . snatching devils up by the hair, then cut his head off";
"Cuttin Headz"; Ol Dirty Bastard, Return of the 36 Chambers: the Dirty Version; 1995, Elektra Entertainment, Time Warner, USA.
"Listen to this black visionary, bringing war like a revolutionary. . . . go on a killing spree, putting devils out their misery; hearing screams, sounds of agony; my hostility takes over me. . . . camouflaged ninjas avenging";
"Under Seige"; Killarmy, Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars, 1997, Wu-Tang Records, Priority Records, The EMI Group, United Kingdom.

"Swing by on the pale guy. . . . break him in the neck. . . . the guerrilla with the poison tip. . . . shaking pinky up on a dull-ass ice-pick . . . this is Lench Mob. . . . devil, what you want to do; when you see the boot, knew your head is hoohoo ";
"King of the Jungle"; Da Lench Mob, Planet of da Apes, 1994, Priority Records, Thorn EMI; now called The EMI Group, United Kingdom.

"Dropping verses, casting curses, throwing these hexes on the devils. . . . respect to Farrakhan, but I'm the jungle-don, the new guerrilla, top-ranked honky killer. . . . what do blacks do; they just keep on blowing devils away. . . . evil ****ing cracker. . . . I'm tightening up the laces to my steel-toed boots, so I can walk, stomp; we stomp this devil down in the park";
"Planet of da Apes"; Da Lench Mob, Planet of da Apes, 1994, Priority Records, Thorn EMI; now called The EMI Group, United Kingdom.

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