Rodeo, lets just do this.

[fintstone]

You will have to do a bit better than that. Pick one. Give the source (for context) and why you consider it a lie. Source your info.

[Nathans_Dad]

Rebut what Cam? Please give specific quotes and why you think they are lies and then we can play...not "I think someone once told me they might have heard him tell their 2nd cousin that..."

[CamB]

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=I've_been_to_war.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200410140007

Why should I have to google for you? I thought the original challenge was to provide a favourite lie, not prove its a lie.

[pa911]

On page 4 "oldsam" posted lots of lies that Bush told.I didn't see anybody respond.I guess if the rules keep changing nobody is going play.

[fintstone]

I have yet to see anyone even attempt it. Clearly to prove one has lied..you would need a specific quote..in context...and why it is a lie.
The best effort I have seen is repeating a joke he told...one of the oldest ones in the AF...maybe the whole military. One I have used many times myself. Its been around since Christ was a corporal. I guess that would be a lie too by your definition...but only if Bush told it.

It reminds me of the time I went to the Officer's Club. As I sat at the bar...I heard a small voice. It said, "nice uniform." I looked around and saw no one except the bartender.

After my second drink I heard the same small voice again. It said, "Nice shoe shine." Again, I saw no one.

After my third drink I head the voice say, "nice nice hair cut." I looked at the bartender and said, "Did you hear that?"

The bartender said:

[fintstone]

......its the nuts...............they're complementary.

[pa911]

Can anyone prove he didn't lie?

[fintstone]

Originally posted by pa911
On page 4 "oldsam" posted lots of lies that Bush told.I didn't see anybody respond.I guess if the rules keep changing nobody is going play.

If the President is the world's biggest liar as claimed...it would not take hundreds of posts to come up with something specific.

In fact, a lot smarter folks than you guys have devoted their lives to catching the President in an actual lie..and none have succeeded....or you would see him being impeached and fined like the last President.

I can't imagine the rules anywhere....even in liberal land..
would be to post a bunch of quotes from a person...
and call him a liar if someone doesn't prove all the quotes are true.

Even in liberal land there surely must be a better sense of fair-play than that.

[fintstone]

Originally posted by pa911
Can anyone prove he didn't lie?

Can anyone prove that anyone didn't lie? Can you prove you don't sleep with your sister?

[pa911]

Originally posted by pa911
Can anyone prove he didn't lie?

So I guess the answer would be NO you can't.

[fintstone]

Originally posted by pa911
So I guess the answer would be NO you can't.

It is so simple...why must I explain. You cannot prove a person did not lie. You have to disprove that they lied.

Exactly where do you claim he lied?

So the answer about your sister would be NO too?

[pa911]

Originally posted by oldsam
Bush Lied About Harken Stock Sale Knowledge

Asked later if his [Harken] stock sale had been related to the company's impending setback, {Board member] Bush replied, "I absolutely had no idea and would not have sold it had I known."

In fact, SEC records show that Harken's president had warned board members two months before Bush's sell-off that the company had liquidity problems that would "drastically affect" operations. --SF Chronicle, 07.05.02

[pa911]

Originally posted by oldsam
LATEST BUSH LIE: HE CITES REPORT THAT DOESN'T EXIST "There was only one problem with President George W. Bush's claim Thursday that the nation's top economists forecast substantial economic growth if Congress passed the president's tax cut: The forecast with that conclusion doesn't exist.Bush and White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer went out of their way Thursday to cite a new survey by "Blue-Chip economists" that the economy would grow 3.3 percent this year if the president's tax cut proposal becomes law. That was news to the editor who assembles the economic forecast. "I don't know what he was citing," said Randell E. Moore, editor of the monthly Blue Chip Economic Forecast, a newsletter that surveys 53 of the nation's top economists each month. "I was a little upset," said Moore, who said he complained to the White House. 'It sounded like the Blue Chip Economic Forecast had endorsed the president's plan. That's simply not the case.'" 2.24.03 www.bushwatch.com

[oldsam]

Saying you won doesn't mean anything. Mr. Bush already tried that on an aircraft carrier. It takes some level of intellectual proof beyond calling me dense. Or using inflamatory language. Holly balls doesn't prove anything other than your inability to continue an adult conversation.

Anyone care to answer what the legal standard for a consumer to declare themselves bankrupt is? Do you think it is the inability to pay 26% of your debts?

To make it simple--the Bush lie was the SS system would be bankrupt. Len said insolvent--that means something else. The dictionary says they are the same. Then I was dense.

It ain't over until someone refutes the lie with something more than emotional outbursts and calling me stupid (one of the definitions of dense).

And, by the way. What about the question is the US governement bankrupt too since you say SS will be?

And don't you lads be diverting now--just stay on topic if possible.

[lendaddy]

Actually a consumer can declare bankruptcy while still being able to pay 100% of their debts(and not having enough left for day to day expenses). If you could prove that your income was less than your obligations you would breeze through a BK no contest style. Always happy to educate.

Again, you don't know what bankrupt means, you think having an income is a barrier to BK, it's not and I'm sorry that the logic evades you.

Our country certainly could be headed for BK , but for now we still cash flow. And a large portion of our obligations are short term and our "income" is constantly increasing. All our bills are getting paid, but yea it's possible.

Ignorance is curable, do you want to be healed?



I would be more polite if I thought you weren't just being obstinate for its own sake.

[Rodeo]

Originally posted by oldsam
Saying you won doesn't mean anything. Mr. Bush already tried that on an aircraft carrier.

Classic!

The little people learn well from their leaders!

[Scooter]

Originally posted by oldsam
Anyone care to answer what the legal standard for a consumer to declare themselves bankrupt is?

Black's Law Dictionary:

"Bankrupt, n. 1. A person who cannot meet current financial obligations; an insolvent person. 2. DEBTOR (2).

insolvent, adj. (Of a debtor) having liabilities that exceed the value of assets; having stopped paying debts in the ordinary course of business or being unable to pay them as they fall due. - insovent, n."

[oldsam]

Originally posted by lendaddy
Actually a consumer can declare bankruptcy while still being able to pay 100% of their debts(and not having enough left for day to day expenses). If you could prove that your income was less than your obligations you would breeze through a BK no contest style. Always happy to educate.

Again, you don't know what bankrupt means, you think having an income is a barrier to BK, it's not and I'm sorry that the logic evades you.

Our country certainly could be headed for BK , but for now we still cash flow. And a large portion of our obligations are short term and our "income" is constantly increasing. All our bills are getting paid, but yea it's possible.

Ignorance is curable, do you want to be healed?

I would be more polite if I thought you weren't just being obstinate for its own sake.

Not only are you not polite, but you are obviously lazy. Google on Title 11 of US Code for the legal definition of insolvency needed to file for bankuptcy. Sorry, but your first paragraph is incorrect.

I never said anything about income--you added that to the discussion.

I said being unable to pay 26% of your debts was not being bankrupt. It isn't.

Just check and your own ignorance can be cured. I would post the web link for you, but knowledge only comes with a little hard work.

[oldsam]

Originally posted by Scooter92
Black's Law Dictionary:

"Bankrupt, n. 1. A person who cannot meet current financial obligations; an insolvent person. 2. DEBTOR (2).

insolvent, adj. (Of a debtor) having liabilities that exceed the value of assets; having stopped paying debts in the ordinary course of business or being unable to pay them as they fall due. - insovent, n."

You are getting close, Scooter. Check for the definition of insolvent from Title 11 of US Code which is the Federal law that governs bankruptcy.

[Scooter]

TITLE 11 > CHAPTER 1 > § 101

§ 101. Definitions


“insolvent” means—
(A) with reference to an entity other than a partnership and a municipality, financial condition such that the sum of such entity’s debts is greater than all of such entity’s property, at a fair valuation, exclusive of—
(i) property transferred, concealed, or removed with intent to hinder, delay, or defraud such entity’s creditors; and
(ii) property that may be exempted from property of the estate under section 522 of this title;
(B) with reference to a partnership, financial condition such that the sum of such partnership’s debts is greater than the aggregate of, at a fair valuation—
(i) all of such partnership’s property, exclusive of property of the kind specified in subparagraph (A)(i) of this paragraph; and
(ii) the sum of the excess of the value of each general partner’s nonpartnership property, exclusive of property of the kind specified in subparagraph (A) of this paragraph, over such partner’s nonpartnership debts; and
(C) with reference to a municipality, financial condition such that the municipality is—
(i) generally not paying its debts as they become due unless such debts are the subject of a bona fide dispute; or
(ii) unable to pay its debts as they become due;