Rodeo, lets just do this. - Page 3

Shaun @ Tru6 · 07:12 AM

What's obvious is 2 lies and no honest debate.

bush is a liar.
bush is a coward.
bush is a traitor.

From having as beer with our Pressident to Intelligent Design to trade deficits with China to a war concocted by the Bush I Secretary of Defense hired to "finish the job," this Country has gone backwards in the last 5 years.

Where is the national high-speed data infrastructure necessary to keep our businesses competitive in a global market and all of our citizens, from the the inner city poor to the suburbar middle class connected, informed, and educated at rates 60 times our current infrastructure?

Where is the "Transportation Energy Independence" program on the scale of The New Deal, Tennessee Valley, Man on the Moon such that 5 years we will reduce our dependence on foreign oil for transportation by 35%?

Where is the topshelf education system in which teachers are held accountable and the very best ones are just breaking 6 figures, every student has a computer that is theirs to keep, every student has books, music class and fully funded after-school programs.

This is VISION. This is what I expect from our President and the future of our Country.

NOT cooked up lies about a rationale for war in a time when the Nation is looking for answers or ways to for cronies to make money off of "fixing" SS when the average American doesn't have time to spend with their kids let alone manage a portfolio or undermining our very Constitution by scaring the American religious public into thinking we need a Constitutional Amendment to ban gay marriage.

bush is about scaring and lying, NOT about vision and moving this Country forward.

F*CK BUSH, that lying sack of ***** for moving our Country backward 30 years and all those that support him.

Tim Hancock · 11-17-2005, 07:09 AM

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Originally posted by lendaddy
What did I miss? In a nutshell...

Shaun said "Bush lied cause he said Congress saw the same intel he did."

I said "Ok, what did Bush see that they didn't?"

Shaun said "........stuff, obviously"

I said "seriously??????.........stuff? Any examples at all?"

Shaun said "I quit"

FIN

Shaun, Len proved the point he was trying to make here perfectly. You have no proof that he lied about the intell, yet you feel perfectly comfortable claiming that it is an example of a lie. I am disappointed Shaun, I expected better from you. (sound familiar?

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Geronimo '74 · 11-17-2005, 07:10 AM

Just a thought on the side...

You guys think that there ever has been even 1 president (American or not) who has told the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth???
In order to get the people (Americans or others) with him, they all lied once, or more. (or deliberately mislead, whatever you prefer).

-the whole truth and nothing but the truth- is a f*cking fairy tale, made up in a perfect world.

So yes, I think he lied, and will do again, whether you agree or not, believe or not, is a different matter.

my 0.02

Shaun @ Tru6 · 11-17-2005, 07:11 AM

nice try guys.

move on to the fire for involved, convicted of a crime lie.

thanks

TerryBPP · 11-17-2005, 07:18 AM

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Originally posted by Geronimo '74
Just a thought on the side...

You guys think that there ever has been even 1 president (American or not) who has told the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth???
In order to get the people (Americans or others) with him, they all lied once, or more. (or deliberately mislead, whatever you prefer).

-the whole truth and nothing but the truth- is a f*cking fairy tale, made up in a perfect world.

So yes, I think he lied, and will do again, whether you agree or not, believe or not, is a different matter.

my 0.02

Hello hammer, this is nail. You just hit me on the head.

They are politicians. I put as much faith in them as actors (ZERO).

Tim Hancock · 11-17-2005, 07:19 AM

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Originally posted by Shaun 84 Targa

F*CK BUSH, that lying sack of ***** for moving our Country backward 30 years and all those that support him.

Wow Shaun, it sounds like you to change your tampon and take a Midol

(this is Shaun and not RedUFO right!

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TerryBPP · 11-17-2005, 07:26 AM

I just had a thought (yeah it happens some times).

Imagine we made every single person in the world the president of their own 1/4 lot. Then everyday a board of questioners questioned them on the way they cut there grass or opened their mail box. After day one hundred and something all these presidents just want to tell the questioners what they want to hear so they can live there lives. It would be impossible for everyone to agree on a way to do these simple tasks because they all have and WANT to have a individual personality. So they continue doing it their way but "lie" to the questioners so they are happy.

As a side note how many presidents would wage war against another in the first 30 secs?

lendaddy · 11-17-2005, 07:27 AM

Shauns anger isn't at us, it's just a syptom of cognitive dissonance setting in. He just knows Bush lied, he just knows it! So why can't he prove it out in words? See.......that's where the mental frustration sets in. He'll get better

Geronimo '74 · 11-17-2005, 07:55 AM

Len, you really think Bush isn't capable of lying??
He never did it before and he is never going to do it in the future??
How nice it must be in your world.
Did Saddam needed to be stopped? Yes.
Did Bush go in with a lie? Yes
Did he top Saddam? Yes
Everybody happy? No
Are people dying still? Yes

Superman · 11-17-2005, 07:59 AM

I noticed that Dubya and Big Dick have spoken publicly about the "lie" thing. Of all people, they clearly know that an accusation undebuked becomes TRUTH, since that has been the cornerstone of their campaigns.

So, they say the country was not intentionally misled. Doesn't this mean Dubya was fooled? Doesn't this mean he was duped?

If someone were going to take responsibility for invading Iraq on false pretenses, who would that be?

Tim Hancock · 11-17-2005, 08:01 AM

No one is saying he has never lied in his life, just that the BUSH LIED crap that the left is CONSTANTLY spewing lately is politically motivated BS.

Burnin' oil · 11-17-2005, 08:02 AM

Correct me if I am wrong, Lendaddy, but I believe you want someone to identify a specific lie from Bush which you will then debate. It seems like a simple challenge . . .

Shaun @ Tru6 · 11-17-2005, 08:04 AM

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Originally posted by Rodeo
I told you Shaun:

And what did he do?

Run around an get him answers to those questions, he’ll have 5 more waiting. He tricks you into thinking he is seriously interested in hearing both sides, but it’s really some form of sadism or something. Bizarre.

of course you are right, I do take solace and pity in knowing that they must live with their ideals, no matter how much they need to become like Bill Clinton to rationalize their blind leadership in bush.

How they can twist and warp their brains to accomplish this mental feat I'll never know.

turbocarrera · 11-17-2005, 08:06 AM

"The actions I have taken have made America, and the entire world, safer from terrorist attack." - George W. Bush 7/6/2004 - Reuters

The revised "Patterns of Global Terrorism" report issued 6/22/2004 by the State Department shows that the total number of terrorist attacks rose slightly in 2003 and that the number of "significant attacks" had climbed to the highest it has been in 20 years and it did not include events from the wars in Afghanistan or Iraq.

It is a Bush lie, by the dictionary definition.

Rodeo · 11-17-2005, 08:07 AM

I don't know about everyone else, but I believe that this administration has repeatedly lied. And as much as you'd like to make this "partisan," it's not, at least not with me. I was pissed when Clinton lied, and I'm even more pissed that Bush lied, the stakes being so much higher.

So spin all you want, but please don't dismiss my disappointment with this administration as "partisan." I have no stake in either party's success or failure. I just want the country on the right track, and it is not.

lendaddy · 11-17-2005, 08:09 AM

I didn't twist a damn thing Shaun and you know it. Present the example to any rational person (omit the charactors names to prevent bias) and we all know that no one would call that a lie. I don't need to ask for the definition of "is" or question the meaning of "alone" or anything at all Clintonesue.
It gets tiring and it's damn insulting that you think we would support a man that lied to us so we could go to war, so all I ask is that you back up yor VERY serious contention.

Geronimo '74 · 11-17-2005, 08:10 AM

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Originally posted by Tim Hancock
No one is saying he has never lied in his life, just that the BUSH LIED crap that the left is CONSTANTLY spewing lately is politically motivated BS.

Politically motivated?? yes, probably is. (nothing wrong with that though, in politics, a lot of things tend to be, well, politically motivated...)
Does that make it BS? If Bush has not lied nor mislead, then yes, it would be BS.
Did Bush lie, mislead? Yes he did.
So is it BS?? No, it is not.

lendaddy · 11-17-2005, 08:11 AM

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Originally posted by turbocarrera
"The actions I have taken have made America, and the entire world, safer from terrorist attack." - George W. Bush 7/6/2004 - Reuters

The revised "Patterns of Global Terrorism" report issued 6/22/2004 by the State Department shows that the total number of terrorist attacks rose slightly in 2003 and that the number of "significant attacks" had climbed to the highest it has been in 20 years and it did not include events from the wars in Afghanistan or Iraq.

It is a Bush lie, by the dictionary definition.

See what I'm dealing with?

Burnin' oil · 11-17-2005, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by turbocarrera
"The actions I have taken have made America, and the entire world, safer from terrorist attack." - George W. Bush 7/6/2004 - Reuters

The revised "Patterns of Global Terrorism" report issued 6/22/2004 by the State Department shows that the total number of terrorist attacks rose slightly in 2003 and that the number of "significant attacks" had climbed to the highest it has been in 20 years and it did not include events from the wars in Afghanistan or Iraq.

It is a Bush lie, by the dictionary definition.

Response, Lendaddy?

Rodeo · 11-17-2005, 08:13 AM

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Originally posted by Burnin' oil
Correct me if I am wrong, Lendaddy, but I believe you want someone to identify a specific lie from Bush which you will then debate. It seems like a simple challenge . . .

Daddy doesn't "debate," that's the problem. He just makes you run around and give him objective data, which leads to more questions and ridicule from his side.

Click on his name and see for yourself. If debate consists of a thousand variations of "you've got to be kidding, where do you get this stuff?", then you and I have very different versions of the word "debate." But that's all that daddy does, so what's the point?