Rodeo, lets just do this.

[Geronimo '74]

quote:
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Originally posted by turbocarrera
"The actions I have taken have made America, and the entire world, safer from terrorist attack." - George W. Bush 7/6/2004 - Reuters

The revised "Patterns of Global Terrorism" report issued 6/22/2004 by the State Department shows that the total number of terrorist attacks rose slightly in 2003 and that the number of "significant attacks" had climbed to the highest it has been in 20 years and it did not include events from the wars in Afghanistan or Iraq.

It is a Bush lie, by the dictionary definition.
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See what I'm dealing with?


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Yes, I see.
I don't see what your problem with it is.

Response, Lendaddy?

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Congress saw the same intelligence I did.

I will fire anyone involved with outing a CIA agent.

The actions I have taken have made America, and the entire world, safer from terrorist attack.


What's the definition of "is" again?

or was that "last throes?"

[Rodeo]

Originally posted by lendaddy
See what I'm dealing with?

"debate," daddy style

[Geronimo '74]

To avoid having to give answers is a rather questionable tactic, I must say

very Duby- us

[oldsam]

You could just Google . . .

Bush Lies In State Of The Union Speech

Bush: "By the year 2042, the entire [social security] system would be exhausted and bankrupt."

In what the BBC calls "highly unusual," a State of the Union Speech was interrupted by a chorus of "No's," booing, and heckles from some of the members of Congress in attendance. This happened immediately after the above Bush lie. As Shields mentioned on the PBS wrap-up, and as Brooks concurred, if adjustments are not made, by 2042, as they have been made before, 3/4 of the funds promised would still be available. The entire system would neither be exhausted nor bankrupt. -- Politex, 02.03.05

[oldsam]

On April 26, President Bush said in his weekly radio address, "My jobs and growth plan would reduce tax rates for everyone who pays income tax."

That turned out not to be true. According to the nonprofit Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, an unspecified number of low- and middle-income families received no tax cut at all because they'd been excluded from an expansion of the child-care tax. --Timothy Noah, 06.03.03

[oldsam]

Some critics say Bush's zeal for running Iraq and transforming it into a democracy sounds just like the nation-building efforts he campaigned against. On Oct. 11, 2000, then-Texas Gov. Bush said: "I think what we need to do is convince people who live in the lands they live in to build the nations. Maybe I'm missing something here. I mean, we're going to have kind of a nation-building corps from America? Absolutely not." But yesterday White House press secretary Ari Fleischer proved the critics wrong once again. "During the campaign, the president did not express, as you put it, disdain for nation-building," he said. So there you have it." --Kamen, 02.28.03

[oldsam]

LATEST BUSH LIE: HE CITES REPORT THAT DOESN'T EXIST "There was only one problem with President George W. Bush's claim Thursday that the nation's top economists forecast substantial economic growth if Congress passed the president's tax cut: The forecast with that conclusion doesn't exist.Bush and White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer went out of their way Thursday to cite a new survey by "Blue-Chip economists" that the economy would grow 3.3 percent this year if the president's tax cut proposal becomes law. That was news to the editor who assembles the economic forecast. "I don't know what he was citing," said Randell E. Moore, editor of the monthly Blue Chip Economic Forecast, a newsletter that surveys 53 of the nation's top economists each month. "I was a little upset," said Moore, who said he complained to the White House. 'It sounded like the Blue Chip Economic Forecast had endorsed the president's plan. That's simply not the case.'" 2.24.03 www.bushwatch.com

[oldsam]

Bush Lied About Harken Stock Sale Knowledge

Asked later if his [Harken] stock sale had been related to the company's impending setback, {Board member] Bush replied, "I absolutely had no idea and would not have sold it had I known."

In fact, SEC records show that Harken's president had warned board members two months before Bush's sell-off that the company had liquidity problems that would "drastically affect" operations. --SF Chronicle, 07.05.02

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by Geronimo '74
quote:
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Originally posted by turbocarrera
"The actions I have taken have made America, and the entire world, safer from terrorist attack." - George W. Bush 7/6/2004 - Reuters

The revised "Patterns of Global Terrorism" report issued 6/22/2004 by the State Department shows that the total number of terrorist attacks rose slightly in 2003 and that the number of "significant attacks" had climbed to the highest it has been in 20 years and it did not include events from the wars in Afghanistan or Iraq.

It is a Bush lie, by the dictionary definition.
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See what I'm dealing with?


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Yes, I see.
I don't see what your problem with it is.

Response, Lendaddy?

First I googled the quote to gain context and do not get a single hit other than his posting it on Pelican. Is this a real quote Tony?

[oldsam]

White House Admits Bush Lied "When Bush was asked about [the Environmental Protection Agency's report] last week, he dismissively remarked: 'I read the report put out by the bureaucracy.' ...White House press secretary Ari Fleischer fessed up: President Bush didn't actually read that 268-page Environmental Protection Agency report on climate change, even if he said he did. Fleischer was asked Monday at his daily White House briefing about Bush's comments that he'd read the report. "Whenever presidents say they read it, you can read that to be he was briefed," Fleischer said, producing laughter. --AP, June 10, 2002

[Tim Hancock]

Originally posted by Shaun 84 Targa
Congress saw the same intelligence I did. ***Show me proof that this is a lie***

I will fire anyone involved with outing a CIA agent. ***Did I miss a news report that said Rove has been found guilty of a crime yet, or is this still under investigation?***

The actions I have taken have made America, and the entire world, safer from terrorist attack. ***America and eventually the world WILL be safer due to the US finally taking a firm stance against terrorists***




What's the definition of "is" again?

or was that "last throes?"

None of the above qualify as blatant lies. All of the above are things that are debatable depending on your viewpoint. THEY ARE NOT BLATANT LIES.

[Rodeo]

Originally posted by procon
"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." —George W. Bush, Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005


Never received a reply to the above.

Pretend I'm lendaddy:



George Bush was in Greece? Where are you getting your information, the NY Times?

[oldsam]

BUDGET DEFICIT TRIFECTA

As the budget deficit emerged; Bush assured us that the deficits would be “small and temporary”.

He also stated “I remember campaigning in Chicago and one of the reporters said, ‘Would you ever deficit spend?’ I said, ‘Only – only – in times of war, in times of economy insecurity as a result of a recession or in times of national emergency.’ Never did I dream we’d have a trifecta.’” The White House repeated this trifecta claim throughout 2002.

Bush never made such a statement in Chicago nor anywhere else during the 2000 campaign. In fact, these three caveats on deficits were stated on several occasions by Vice President Gore. Bush’s attempt to pin the deficit on the war also is a misstatement, since the cost of the Bush tax cuts is three times the cost of the response to 9-11 and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Source: New Republic 07.01.02

[oldsam]

“MIDDLE-CLASS” TAX CUTS


"Most of the tax cuts went to low and middle income Americans, and now the tax code is more fair, 20 percent of the upper income people pay about 80 percent of the taxes in America today because of how we structured the tax cuts."

The top 1/5th of earners receive 2/3rds of all benefits and the bill excluded extending the child tax credit to 4 million low income families who do not qualify. Middle class earners will receive an average cut of $162 in 2005.

Source: Center on Budget and Policy Priorities 04.14.04

[oldsam]

PRESCRIPTION DRUG BILL COST ESTIMATES



The Bush administration sold its Medicare prescription drug plan to conservatives in Congress as having a cost of $400 billion over ten years, enabling it to narrowly win passage in December 2003.

The White House knew the costs were $551 billion - more than 25 percent higher. The administration threatened to fire Medicare’s top financial analyst (Richard Foster) if he released the information. Two months after the President signed the law, the administration revised its costs estimates to $534 billion.

One month after passage of the bill, the White House revealed that the program costs actually were $534 billion - more than 25 percent higher. AARP, which worked with the administration in drafting the bill, revealed that these higher estimates were "well known in the fall" but is only now being made public. Taxpayers for Common Sense, a Washington-based budget watchdog group claim Congress got "suckered by a classic financial bait-and-switch by the administration."

Source: Kemper & Simon - Los Angeles Times 01.31.04, Pugh - Knight Ridder 03.11.04, Kemper - Los Angeles Times 03.14.04, CAP Progress Report 03.15.04.

[oldsam]

NEVER SAID IMMINENT THREAT

On January 27, 2004, White House spokesman Scot McClellan claimed that the administration never said Iraq was an imminent threat. "the media have chose to use the word imminent" to describe the Iraqi threat.



"No terrorist state poses a greater or more immediate threat to the security of our people and the stability of the world than the regime of Saddam Hussein in Iraq." Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld (09.19.02)


"This man poses a much graver threat than anybody could have possibly imagined." President Bush (09.26.02)


"The Iraqi regime is a threat of unique urgency. . . . It has developed weapons of mass death" President Bush (10.02.02)


"There's a grave threat in Iraq. There just is." President Bush (10.02.03)


"There are many dangers in the world; the threat from Iraq stands alone because it gathers the most serious dangers of our age in one place. President Bush (10.07.02)


"The Iraqi regime is a serious and growing threat to peace." President Bush (10.16.02)


"There is a real threat, in my judgment, a real and dangerous threat to America in the form of Saddam Hussein." President Bush (10.28.02)


"I see a significant threat to the security of the United States in Iraq." President Bush (11.01.02)


"Today the world is...uniting to answer the unique and urgent threat posed by Iraq." President Bush (11.01.02)


"The world is also uniting to answer the unique and urgent threat posed by Iraq whose dictator has already used weapons of mass destruction to kill thousands." President Bush (11.23.02)


In January 2003, White House Communications Director Dan Bartlett, when asked “is Saddam an imminent threat to U.S. interests”; he replied “Well, of course he is.”

In February 2003, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said “[t]his is about [an] imminent threat.”


In May 2003, Ari Fleisher was asked “Didn’t we go to war because we said WMD’s were a direct and imminent threat to the U.S?” He responded, “Absolutely.”

Sources: Daily Mis-Lead 01.28.04, CAP Daily Progress Report 01.29.04

[lendaddy]

Tony.............real quote or did you make it up?

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by procon
LOL

Although not a "lie", he admits to selling the public on his version of the truth.
Which by his own admission, is based on "propaganda".

It's cute but I'm sure he didn't mean to say propaganda. Bush screws up words.....he does that. Even then it's not a lie anyway.

You guys are proving my point for me, all be it in a very childish manner.

[Superman]

Let's assume that this "Bush Lied" stuff is purely politically motivated. It's a very good assumption. Let's assume the Democratic Party has been asleep at the political wheel lately, since we know that's true. And let's assume the electorate is incredibly gullible. Gullible enough to elect a virtually illiterate monkey from Texas. TWICE!

Okay, then my question becomes:

So what?

Perhaps the Dems have found their footing, and we'll have a fair fight from here on out. Heck, the truth was certainly a casualty in the last election, and political marketing in this country has NOTHING to do with a candidate's ability to form good, responsible public policy.

So, politics has become a fantasy advertising game, and guess who's been knocked back onto his heels now. In fact, one thing you guys MUST have accepted when Dubya took office is that this is the absolute WORST political position to be in. He's a sitting duck. A stationary target. It's not fair. It never has been. And Mr. Rove has understood that all along. We've only been waiting for the Dems to figure it out. Looks like maybe they did.

Have fun with this next major election!